Spirit Contract Now

FlySooner9 said:
You also have to take into account all the profit spirit makes off all of their fees which is far more then any legacy out there. That's where they really make their money.
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Yup, I believe it's close to 1/3 generated revenue with plans to increase it even further...
 
Derg said:
Seems like the seat is the "loss-leader" but then you want a soda. And an assigned seat. And maybe a gasper vent. And to use the toilet… :)

Like "Hey! That Hungry Jack Salisbury Steak dinner is $5! Hell, I can buy a whole pound of ground beef for $4, yower ripp'in me AWF!"
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Like a blanket on Hawaiian? "Hey I want one but dont wanna pay" Captain: "Divert meow!"
 
Derg said:
Because consumers in the US are driven to look at pricing grids and not actually look at the terms and conditions.

"A seat is a seat is a seat", well, not really.
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But I bought that seat for my son. Not the one sitting in the seat. That son went home on another flight.


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Is spirit having another meltdown?

What's with the emails?
Are pilots finally banding together and not picking up opentime?

It would be nice if that worked at the bargaining table and the pilot got a CBA.
 
Massive week-long meltdown! It seems as though enough pilots are finally tired of supporting this management team and their ineptitude. Why should any of us help bail them out for 50% of industry standard compensation while upper management cash massive salaries?!? Think they've cancelled around 300 or more flights this week. At somewhere between $50k - $100k per cancellation...wonder if Bumbling Bobby F is gonna get his quarterly bonus this time around?!? That's $15 - $30 million that went poof this week!

I know I'm thoroughly enjoying my multi week vacation watching this whole thing unfold from the sidelines. Let it burn!
 
etflies said:
Waaaaay too much of a generalization to support any kind of argument that ULCC pilots should be paid less as a result of the business model. Not to mention that ignores the fees charged for well, everything excluding seatbelts, bathrooms & o2 which is where most of the profit comes from.

Spirit & Frontier have 2 of the highest profit margins in the industry. There is no reason those pilots should be paid less than any other Airbus operator in the U.S.
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Well, if your argument is that Spirit can afford to pay more because they are the most profitable, then it logically follows that American, Delta, et al pilots shouldn't be paid as much as they are.
 
Cruise said:
Massive week-long meltdown! It seems as though enough pilots are finally tired of supporting this management team and their ineptitude. Why should any of us help bail them out for 50% of industry standard compensation while upper management cash massive salaries?!? Think they've cancelled around 300 or more flights this week. At somewhere between $50k - $100k per cancellation...wonder if Bumbling Bobby F is gonna get his quarterly bonus this time around?!? That's $15 - $30 million that went poof this week!

I know I'm thoroughly enjoying my multi week vacation watching this whole thing unfold from the sidelines. Let it burn!
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Without guys like you y'all will never get the contract you deserve. Hope to be able to make it next time y'all picket!
 
@Cruise ,

I'm on vacation with @Lawman a few time zones away; will be for another 9ish months. A side note, he rudely woke me this morning... ;)

I'm hoping to see a new contract sooner rather than later. If we are close to the snap shot TA we saw a few months ago, I'd be a yes voter.
 
Cruise said:
Massive week-long meltdown! It seems as though enough pilots are finally tired of supporting this management team and their ineptitude. Why should any of us help bail them out for 50% of industry standard compensation while upper management cash massive salaries?!? Think they've cancelled around 300 or more flights this week. At somewhere between $50k - $100k per cancellation...wonder if Bumbling Bobby F is gonna get his quarterly bonus this time around?!? That's $15 - $30 million that went poof this week!

I know I'm thoroughly enjoying my multi week vacation watching this whole thing unfold from the sidelines. Let it burn!
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If only pilots at my place would stop falling over themselves to make sure everything remains smooth.
 
z987k said:
If only pilots at my place would stop falling over themselves to make sure everything remains smooth.
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Nark said:
@Cruise ,

I'm on vacation with @Lawman a few time zones away; will be for another 9ish months. A side note, he rudely woke me this morning... ;)

I'm hoping to see a new contract sooner rather than later. If we are close to the snap shot TA we saw a few months ago, I'd be a yes voter.
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Well hopefully we'll have a new TA to vote on before you come back to the line. Sadly, I'm not very optimistic on that happening.

Regardless, I'll be happy to buy you an adult beverage or more should our paths cross on an overnight. Stay safe out there!
 
Somewhere around 15% - 20% of all flights have been cancelled this week due to apparently inept management. For far too long they've abused the pilot group and counted on us to support their flawed operation. We provide a tremendous amount of support to the operation and are the actual people that keep the whole thing together. The best management has done is to continuously denigrated with us empty platitudes. Thanks for all you do (keep doing it at 50% industry standard, because that's all you're worth). Those are today's numbers below.


I think the appropriate cliché here is 'the chickens have come home to roost!' FUPM!



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So a rogue Spirit pilot created a gravy choker website listing names and descriptions of pilots who are picking up open time and used deragotry terms. That's got lawsuit written all over it. The site was taken down.

What unity do you possibly hope to get with actions like this?

If your contract allows up to 5 JAs per year, and picking up open time, then you have no legal basis to get them to stop operating as your CBA already allows.

Also, the company can easily win a lawsuit over what pilots have been posting on forums and what is happening in real life. They have historic data. If Jan, Feb, March, April, and May historically has x amount of open time flying picked up, but this time, it's a number far below x, they will make a case for a work action, and based on what quite a few dummies on APC have posted, the company will probably win. It's happened before, and pilots lost.

Contract now, sure. But tread carefully.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So a rogue Spirit pilot created a gravy choker website listing names and descriptions of pilots who are picking up open time and used deragotry terms. That's got lawsuit written all over it. The site was taken down.

What unity do you possibly hope to get with actions like this?

If your contract allows up to 5 JAs per year, and picking up open time, then you have no legal basis to get them to stop operating as your CBA already allows.

Also, the company can easily win a lawsuit over what pilots have been posting on forums and what is happening in real life. They have historic data. If Jan, Feb, March, April, and May historically has x amount of open time flying picked up, but this time, it's a number far below x, they will make a case for a work action, and based on what quite a few dummies on APC have posted, the company will probably win. It's happened before, and pilots lost.

Contract now, sure. But tread carefully.
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First of all, can you prove who the author of said website is? Can you prove it was, in fact, a Spirit seniority list pilot? I have no idea who created the website and you don't either. No doubt it probably was...but at this point, no one knows. However, if it was, that was a dumbass thing to do.
At no point have I advocated for anyone picking up open time, not picking up open time, or the harassment of pilots picking up time. I'm merely pointing out that our management is completely in over their heads and it seems as though the pilot group has had enough of their apparent ineptitude.

But thanks for the contract law lesson, I was curious about that.
 
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Local news in miami is covering the cancellations and gate agents are telling passengers the pilots are on strike...
 
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