Spirit Airlines Strike Update

deadstick said:
Along the lines of jhugz post, I read that several of the poor, ill Falcon crews use to wear a YX badge. Gee I sure hope they get well and don't return to work until they are fully recovered and safe to fly. ;)


Can somebody explain how a non-Spirit airplane with a non-spirit crew operating with another certificate uses the Spirit call sign?
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I don't have the technical basis for it but I have flown under another carriers callsign before. I believe Southern one of the other freight haulers use the call sign of whichever airline is contracting them.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
I don't have the technical basis for it but I have flown under another carriers callsign before. I believe Southern one of the other freight haulers use the call sign of whichever airline is contracting them.
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I know a freight hauler that does the same.

I don't have the technical basis either, but I do know it's done.
 
Doug Taylor said:
When we picketed and subsequently struck at Skyway, we had so many people volunteering to help us. It wasn't seen as greedy pilots versus virtuous management, it was a combination of regional pilots scrapping to break into the middle class and as a parallel, the lady vestiges of the dwindling American middle class attempting to hold on to the American dream. We had LOTS of folks that were on the line with us because our struggle was their struggle.

Not to toot my horn, but a lot of people that have at least a basic liveable wage at the regionals need to think about the sacrifices that Skyway and ESPECIALLY Comair and Mesaba pilots made for the regional industry. Pretty much a sneak peek at why it gets my goad when pilots think they're special because they have a somewhat liveable pay structure, all while forgetting where they were before any labor action by another pilot group.
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The Comair strike was huge. With their new contract, my company biggy backed on it and actually improved upon it. Our 2001 contract, signed 9/11/01, was really an awesome contract from a commuter standpoint (and language better than most of the bigger carriers).

However, here is the issue - the companies that had the best contracts and pay have been downsized significantly, and even "forced" into pay cuts. The companies that have lower pay expanded and grew significantly, and have much much better job security.

The phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind...
 
wheelsup said:
The Comair strike was huge. With their new contract, my company biggy backed on it and actually improved upon it. Our 2001 contract, signed 9/11/01, was really an awesome contract from a commuter standpoint (and language better than most of the bigger carriers).

However, here is the issue - the companies that had the best contracts and pay have been downsized significantly, and even "forced" into pay cuts. The companies that have lower pay expanded and grew significantly, and have much much better job security.

The phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind...
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Because of these things you've mentioned though, I think this Spirit strike is significantly different than a strike at a vendor because they aren't bidding against anyone for flying. They are mainline and they are on their own.
 
What a great experience it was being there on Friday and early morning yesterday. It stinks it had to end up with a strike, but management brought that upon themselves.

The Spirit Pilots are a great bunch of people and we need to give them ALL the support we can! I'm going overseas tomorrow on vacation, but if y'all are on strike when I get back, see you again on the picket line!
 
Nick said:
Because of these things you've mentioned though, I think this Spirit strike is significantly different than a strike at a vendor because they aren't bidding against anyone for flying. They are mainline and they are on their own.
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You are right, it is different. Now if Allegiant can just get with it...
 
wheelsup said:
However, here is the issue - the companies that had the best contracts and pay have been downsized significantly, and even "forced" into pay cuts. The companies that have lower pay expanded and grew significantly, and have much much better job security.

The phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind...
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But we've seen that trend starting to reverse as more and more mainline managers see you get what you pay for. Mesa's a prime example, and even 9E. We bid on multiple contracts, and we've lost to better pay/better work rule regionals the past few times.
 
This may be off topic so I apologize in advanced. I was curious and have asked a lot of pilots within in my direct circle. None really had a good response. What is an acceptable pay rate for the Airbus? I see Spirit's 1st year FO pay for the 319 is $40 and the 321 is $44. I was comparing it to the US Airways pay rate (probably a terrible comparison) and was pretty shocked to see the difference between the east and west pay. Is the lack of an increase in pay per year that is the issue? Most of the companies I looked had seemed to have a more significant increase after year 2 and so on.
 
SeanD said:
This may be off topic so I apologize in advanced. I was curious and have asked a lot of pilots within in my direct circle. None really had a good response. What is an acceptable pay rate for the Airbus? I see Spirit's 1st year FO pay for the 319 is $40 and the 321 is $44. I was comparing it to the US Airways pay rate (probably a terrible comparison) and was pretty shocked to see the difference between the east and west pay. Is the lack of an increase in pay per year that is the issue? Most of the companies I looked had seemed to have a more significant increase after year 2 and so on.
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The issue is that the Spirit pilots have given back over the past nine years when the airline needed those givebacks during difficult times. When Spirit started growing and actually making money, the givebacks never came back to the pilots.

The result is that Spirit pilots have not received a raise in NINE years.

The contract expired 4 years ago and the company was in no hurry to give the pilots a new contract because they were operating under the "giveback" contract and LOA's.

The company made a boneheaded move to cut the pay even further by trying to change the work rules.

No one in their right mind would expect any employee to not have a raise in nine years let alone take a pay cut.

Joe
 
hey Joe,

do you know if there is a link to any information that talks about what portions of the contract are still on the bargaining plate and an explanation for why they haven't been able to come to terms (in layman's terms)?
 
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