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Hacker15e
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killbilly
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Until I:
1) Got tailwheel training...
2) Got some BASIC aerobatic training...
...I realized just how sloppy I was as a PPL. Which is to say I passed the PPL checkride and managed to survive my first 100 hours without killing myself or anyone else. But once I did those things (the training, not the death parts) I realized how much MORE there was to flying. Both were challenging and both incredibly fun - but most importantly I learned a lot.
There is something about the visceral feedback both types of training give you that really lays into the ol' gray matter.
1) Got tailwheel training...
2) Got some BASIC aerobatic training...
...I realized just how sloppy I was as a PPL. Which is to say I passed the PPL checkride and managed to survive my first 100 hours without killing myself or anyone else. But once I did those things (the training, not the death parts) I realized how much MORE there was to flying. Both were challenging and both incredibly fun - but most importantly I learned a lot.
There is something about the visceral feedback both types of training give you that really lays into the ol' gray matter.
Mikerohren
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Holy crap, this thread kind of blew up... haha. Here is some context to the flight... We placed the aircraft well into the utility category, quite easily by removing everything but checklists and headsets... Plus we only have 1 backseat in our aircraft. We had 2200 lbs at takeoff with 33 gallons of fuel and the CG was <39" aft. This is why it was so difficult to flip the thing over... Secondly, this was not even close to the "real" fully developed spin we got the plane into a couple of times during the, flight... The peak load factor was certainly encountered during the pull out... With the aircraft in this loading configuration, I think it is more important that you have the ability to recover from a 90° nose down attitude without over straining the airframe then exiting the spin... It was emphasized during the flight, rightfully so, that if the aircraft was loaded more aft and heavier, the entry would be much easier and the exit much harder...
Anyways, It was a blast, and fortunately I get to do it again at the end of the summer!!! I will get much better footage of a better spin during that flight!
Anyways, It was a blast, and fortunately I get to do it again at the end of the summer!!! I will get much better footage of a better spin during that flight!
CFI A&P
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I'm glad to hear that you have experienced spins. They really are not terrible. Just remember that the Skyhawk has a certain amount of stability in the design and shifting the W&B or CG will help, but it won't change the design too much.
Even though it is an approved maneuver for the airframe, just think of it as drag racing a Prius. Sure you can do it, but they are better vehicles for that mission out there.
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womanpilot73
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Wow... Surprised you got a 172 to spin. I've heard you really have to try to make it happen. I have very fond memories of doing spins in a 1967 Cessna 150 with my first flight instructor. He was a retired Air Force pilot - about 70ish at the time - and after 9 in a row with my joy and excitement only growing, he said "let's call it a day..". I think he must've eaten just prior to the lesson because he looked like he might throw up...
Btw...he was the best instructor I ever had.
Btw...he was the best instructor I ever had.
Airmanship? Maybe its not in their contract.
Now this is a spinning machine, photographed at the best UPT base.
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Autothrust Blue
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It's assumed as a professional aviator. Or it should be.Airmanship? Maybe its not in their contract.
Agreed.
Autothrust Blue
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Although, like many things ("Like to bum a ride to (your destination)") it's probably not wise to assume anymore.
Hacker15e
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Airmanship? Maybe its not in their contract.
Now this is a spinning machine, photographed at the best UPT base.
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Time and a place. I love the 8KCAB, but do we really want primary training at AEIO-360 rates? I'm in favor of "cheap + aerobatic + tailwheel + honest." If there's a more honest airplane than a plane-jane Citabria, I've yet to fly it. It's also low-enough performance to teach you that side of flying, too.8KCAB or GTFO.
If I'd my druthers, I'd give primary training in a 7ECA, advanced training (pre-commercial) in an 8KCAB.
-Fox
killbilly
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Why not split the difference in a 7KCAB?
(It's the only one I've flown. But I like it a lot.)
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Constraining the discussion to the reasons listed here, it's the worst of both worlds, kinda. Still an airplane I'd be proud to own, but the Super D is way, way better for acro, and the Citabria (er, the 7ECA) is way better for being cheap. So with the 7KCAB, you get the fuel burn of a C-172, and she's a pig inverted... and inverted fuel and oil, plus slightly more power, is the only real difference between that and the 7ECA that I can think of offhand. (Aside from maybe the ability to put bushwheels on a 7KCAB... never checked on that one)
The 7ECA barely sips gas if you lean it out... the endurance of that airplane is crazy... which means you can carry reduced fuel without worrying... or you can tanker it up if you're solo and ... well, worry even less.
The 8KCAB, on the other paw, is a true joy to fly (in my opinion)—it demands a bit more precision, though not a lot, but when you're flying it you know it's capable of doing almost anything you need done.
Horses for courses, in this case.
~Fox
(I have time in the new 7ECA, the old 7ECA, the new 8KCAB, the old 8KCAB and the 7KCAB)
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I can honestly say I am happy that my first 40 hours and my PPL were all in a 7ECA. That being said, it was hard to transition to the 172, not that it was hard to fly, more so that I didn't see why I should spend the extra $25 an hour to fly something nowhere near as fun. The Citabrias are a blast to fly.
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That has been the point I been trying to make. ....One is built to spin the other not so much....so if you so gung ho about spin training which I kiss you on the cheek and agree why not do it in on that is built for it. It's like putting a big girl on a mini bike or Japanese cowboy on a horse or a working TV on top of a broken TV or rims on a pinto or a rabbit on roller skates or a helmet on a ram.
Why you trying to throw poop into my feathers and all, eh? Let me fly the way I wanna fly and what to fly and all....ggggzzzzz what is your problem?
You think you eat healthier than I do? What ya had for the meal of champions, eh? I bet you don't even know what that meal is, eh?
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man, pppfff that aint chit... I aint a flintstone. Thats what I do for morning wake ups. You wanna see what I do in my rocket with automatic bosters? You haters can't knock it. I be hanging out with El roy and Jar Jar eating a mars bar. The ozone layer? I f'n rock it. Gravity anit a damn thing for me. Im all up in the black hole pimping venus booty for cosmic gold. I bring a telescope just to talk back to earth. Three titty women are nothing to handle but still all about the bling! I got moon shoes and a lunar pinky ring. Mike Jordan aint chit either, I'm talking this is a real space jam not a bunny 3 point animated slam. I show you my video of a pelvic push into full throttle spinning into hyperspeed. I'll teach you how to speak flipa flab like those dudes on Alpha 9. But back on earth I'll have you slinging moon pies! In 2097 was when I bought my first planet. All you haters in here won't be able to understand it.
So, you think you can speak flipa flab better than me, eh?
CFI A&P
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Which one is "built" to spin? If you think either one of those are ideal spin training platforms.... You should get some experience in any one of the Bellanca/ American Champion aircraft, Pitts or even a composite monoplane.