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pullup said:
If there isn't drug residue anywhere on your body, I'll be shocked.
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Who are you referring to?
If you wanna pay someone for my pee pee just to find out...I be shocked just as much as you my friend. I believe some look for something naturally as a drug such as thinking they are spinning an airplane when in reality they are snap rolling one just to MAKE it spin eventually because it is not designed to actually "spin".

If you come in contact with money frequently there is a good chance you too have drug "residue" on your body. what's up you primate? Where the hell you been? I know who you are you little $luT. How are ya? Why did you move so far away? What did ya go back home for? What ya been doing with yourself besides accusing others of doing drugs? Joining the bandwagon mob...I see, trader, LOL. How's ya mom and all? It's been 4 years about. Damn JB! 2000 RMP, ha WTF...?
 
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splash said:
Why are you pulling almost 3.5 g's?
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I have no idea what my peak load factor was after spinning the 172, but I'd expect whatever it was, it was generated from the recovery of the resulting dive after the spin, which would be unavoidable no matter what your entry looks like. If you're on the verge of a power-on stall and then yank the yoke full aft, I guarantee you that a 172 won't have the energy to pull over 3 G. Heck, it doesn't have enough energy to finish the resulting "snap roll" as you call it.
 
pete2800 said:
I have no idea what my peak load factor was after spinning the 172, but I'd expect whatever it was, it was generated from the recovery of the resulting dive after the spin, which would be unavoidable no matter what your entry looks like. If you're on the verge of a power-on stall and then yank the yoke full aft, I guarantee you that a 172 won't have the energy to pull over 3 G. Heck, it doesn't have enough energy to finish the resulting "snap roll" as you call it.
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Pete, the nose stays on the horizon or above the horizon throughout the snap roll in this video. It has plenty of energy.
 
splash said:
Pete, the nose stays on the horizon or above the horizon throughout the snap roll in this video. It has plenty of energy.
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It's nose-high because the maneuver starts very nose-high. The video shows the nose rapidly dropping as the airplane flops over. Also notice how the stall horn is going nuts as soon as pitch changes... they were very slow to start with.

How many times have you done spins in a 172?
 
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Never had any problems spinning a 172. Clean config, power idle then at stall add full power with full left rudder and it will come around fast.

Not my video, but someone doing the same setup:

 
Why is this thread not called "test pilots"? lol... Take an overpowered school bus (not filled with children, just one or two bad ones) to a dirt track and go do donuts with it. Sure, it could and would do it. Im not saying the 172 is over powered but to have to turn an RPM anything over idle (2,000-full power) in order to get it to spin properly should say something about the way and what it is built for, eh? No, I never spun a 172 nor a 707.

In the video just above notice how it starts out flat then after adding power (most likely) it pulls the nose down. Remember doing lazy eights for commercial training and how the nose slices through the horizon? That is what spin entry should look like with power at idle continuously (text book). Spin it faster by adding power after the entry in an airframe designed for it. It is a 1 G maneuver with power at idle through recovery.

Trust me, throw some dead bodies in the back yeah it will go over nicely. NTSB would be so confused at the accident site. o_O
 
splash said:
Im not saying the 172 is over powered but to have to turn an RPM anything over idle (2,000-full power) in order to get it to spin properly should say something about the way and what it is built for, eh?
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If Cessna wanted spins to be prohibited in 172's they would have placed a placard saying "spins prohibited" in them.
splash said:
No, I never spun a 172.
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Many people here have.

splash said:
In the video just above notice how it starts out flat then after adding power (most likely) it pulls the nose down. Remember doing lazy eights for commercial training and how the nose slices through the horizon? That is what spin entry should look like with power at idle continuously (text book). Spin it faster by adding power after the entry in an airframe designed for it. It is a 1 G maneuver with power at idle through recovery.
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Power would raise the nose, not lower it. It does that mid-spin too. If you can recover from a spin without pulling more than 1G, I'll eat my hat.

172's and 152's don't spin the same.
 
splash said:
No, I never spun a 172.

Spin it faster by adding power after the entry in an airframe designed for it. It is a 1 G maneuver with power at idle through recovery.
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Clearly you've never spun anything. There are ways to cause a spin to flatten, and also a method to accelerate the spin.

Watch this spin accelerate AND the power remains idle.




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splash said:
Why is this thread not called "test pilots"?
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Perhaps because there's nothing about spinning aircraft -- even a 172 -- that isn't completely normal and within the realm of any pilot to safely execute.

There was a time that private pilots had to demonstrate spins on their checkride, so it isn't some strange, dangerous voodoo maneuver that only certain highly trained test pilots can do.

This bizarre train of thought is why I maintain that basic acro should still be part of PPL training, so as to demystify it.
 
Hacker15e said:
Perhaps because there's nothing about spinning aircraft -- even a 172 -- that isn't completely normal and within the realm of any pilot to safely execute.

There was a time that private pilots had to demonstrate spins on their checkride, so it isn't some strange, dangerous voodoo maneuver that only certain highly trained test pilots can do.

This bizarre train of thought is why I maintain that basic acro should still be part of PPL training, so as to demystify it.
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And primary trainers should be capable of and certificated for fully aerobatic flight.
 
Hacker15e said:
If I were king for a day, they'd all be taildraggers, too...

Unfortunately, as we've seen play out so many times in similar threads here on JC, too many pilots don't seem to be interested in actually honing airmanship skills.
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Converted, preaching to.
 
CFI A&P said:
Clearly you've never spun anything. There are ways to cause a spin to flatten, and also a method to accelerate the spin.

Watch this spin accelerate AND the power remains idle.



Cool video but you are fixing to get splashed. We could dance together up in here, eh? I never spun anything except your mum on my ....I'm telling you, I can get rowdy up in here and really hurt your feelings. If you have none about words then we can have a laugh or a half.

I don't think you and your little soap opera click up in here understand the message I'm trying to send out to you. Seems like you would rather have a ding dong eating contest instead. I give you one if this is what you really want.




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In post #28 you stated the spin accelerates with power. Negative ghost rider. You are incorrect. There are many people out there that have a substantial amount of spin experience, written books about it and they all agree that power is not what accelerates a normal up right spin. Surprisingly in my experience of teaching aerobatics and spins, there is one thing that accelerates the spin and it isn't power.

Beggs/Mueller, Rich Stowell, Alan Cassidy, Mike Goullian/ Geze Szurovy.... All can't be wrong.


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splash said:
Cool video but you are fixing to get splashed. We could dance together up in here, eh? I never spun anything except your mum on my ....I'm telling you, I can get rowdy up in here and really hurt your feelings. If you have none about words then we can have a laugh or a half.

I don't think you and your little soap opera click up in here understand the message I'm trying to send out to you. Seems like you would rather have a ding dong eating contest instead. I give you one if this is what you really want.
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Fixing to get splashed? Is this Top Gun and a cool new lingo? Lol, cal down Iceman, the Pitts is designed for that, and MUCH MUCH more.... If that spin scared ya, how about an inverted flat spin?

#ZOMGsplash1banditgonnagetcha

 
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