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I didn't quote what I think is BS. You are jumping the gun here.
Spinning a G1000?
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I didn't quote what I think is BS. You are jumping the gun here.
jhugz
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I suggest you read AC 61-67C and then report back to me. We are talking about maneuvers that require chutes and those that don't. We teach how to properly recover from unusual att. so that we don't pull 7 g's and rip a wing off.
I have read it in full a few times, here:
As I said, since when is it required to teach spins to a private pilot? I suggest everyone who jumps to teaching a student spins reads this though: http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/topics/stall_spin.pdf. Specifically, "93 percent occurred at or below pattern altitude." Most pilots, CFIs, professionals, etc, would not be able to recover from that as is.
I also suggest this: http://www.richstowell.com/stalspin.htm In short, CFIs generally aren't trained enough to be giving spin training. Not only that 15-20 percent of the fatal accidents were with CFIs on board.
With regards to 7Gs, an untrained pilot in g ops can black out in 3 especially if it is sudden. I also said 75 degrees for 4gs, not 7gs and with me flying, not the student. The only logical reason to teach spins is in case a stall isn't immediately recognized and a student enters a spin. Why can't one teach for higher gs in case one doesn't immediately recognize an unusual attitude?
Splash: My apologies than sir, I am a bit on edge today and probably shouldn't have even written this reply but hey it was fun.
Not spins vs no spins instruction AGAIN! Ugggh......
Why don't we discuss some rarely touched-upon subjects, like:
-PFT vs paying dues
-Pitch/power for altitude/speed control
-FBO vs Flight Academy....and by extension, 61 vs 141/142 schools
-30 degree bank turns in the pattern vs steeper ones
-techniques vs procedures
-how/when to log PIC
-career opportunities for pilots other than 121 regional/mainline
-G1000 vs stream gauges for PPL training
etc, etc.
Why don't we discuss some rarely touched-upon subjects, like:
-PFT vs paying dues
-Pitch/power for altitude/speed control
-FBO vs Flight Academy....and by extension, 61 vs 141/142 schools
-30 degree bank turns in the pattern vs steeper ones
-techniques vs procedures
-how/when to log PIC
-career opportunities for pilots other than 121 regional/mainline
-G1000 vs stream gauges for PPL training
etc, etc.
I am not familiar with stream gauges? Do they reduce drag?
Massively. They reduce P-Factor and use the Coanda principle to dissipate corriolis-effect as well.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Yeah, but at low power settings the engine can't produce enough steam pressure to accurately power the gauges!
jrh
Well-Known Member
That was in the movie. FAIL!
Oh, shoot, you're right. I remember it now. Forgive me for not being a good enough aviation nerd
jhugz
Well-Known Member
That is why I teach not only spins but spin awareness. Why do we teach stall to the full break as a Private Pilot? Under you logic we shouldn't teach them how to recover from a stall, rather just teach them how to not get in one.
"demonstrate instructional knowledge"
Thats how the good old PTS reads for the CFI applicant. I'm sorry if during your CFI training you did one spin to the left and then one to the right and called it a day. I feel more then comfortable spinning a C-150/C-172 at the proper altitude any day of the week.
Base to final turn...etc, etc, etc
You can, just make sure you and your student are wearing a chute.
KSCessnaDriver
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You missed one. We need to talk about shock cooling, and we need to talk about it now!
I knew there was one or more I was missing! Thanks for adding to the list. It needs to be as complete as possible!
...and "over square" operations.You missed one. We need to talk about shock cooling, and we need to talk about it now!
...and lean of peak.
-mini
Not going to address the rest, but you shouldn't assume. I have 10 hours of aerobatic training and 100s of spins under my belt including aerodynamic classes that spent days on the topic. Know what I learned? If I intend to teach them I had better get some more training.
If you didn't read that entire article beyond "1 spin in each direction" you're only cheating yourself bud, it went far deeper than that. Including to say that most CFIs think they are great at spins and spin knowledge when it turns out they are not.
91.307:
Unusual attitudes are required by regulations, no need for a chute if the application is for that demonstration. Just like you don't need them for your spins even though your 80 degrees nose down.
I knew there was one or more I was missing! Thanks for adding to the list. It needs to be as complete as possible!
You guys should put up a debate forum with these topics and just move all the posts there. It would be an easy reference anytime it was discussed here and I wouldn't have bothered posting again, would just drop in the link.
I am sure the airline and military guys have certain things that they debate often as well...?
