No I'm just curious as to what she's been doing to get that. In the current job? Or instructing?
Spin Training Question
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No I'm just curious as to what she's been doing to get that. In the current job? Or instructing?
jhugz
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I really don't understand why people insist in doing 3-5 hours in an Extra 300 for there CFI spin training. Yeah it is cool and fun and awesome but you don't need it nor do you need to go somewhere specialized for spin training. Be able to spin an airplane and talk through the spin in a way where you are easy to understand and the student can learn something from you. Whether that takes you .5 or 5 hours is strictly dependent on you.
Blackhawk
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It does not necessarily need to be in an Extra 300, but you should try to take some spin training from someone who actually knows about spins and can do them on a regular basis.
Also, in order to increase the salary of CFIs who teach spins it should be written into any CFI union contract that these CFIs get paid more and CFI applicants must take their spin training only from union certified spin CFIs.
Exactly. I am a firm believer in this and that my aerobatic training at DWC in their Cap 10's makes me a much safer pilot. Spins can happen in many scenarios, you will likely not just teach in that trainer you did your spins in. What if you find yourself in a Mooney doing training and what if that gets in an unintentional spin? You better think fast.
I like having that extra time spinning and think it is invaluable. It isn't exactly necessary to rush out to, what is it Arizona, and fly the Extra 300s. But getting in any aerobatic aircraft and exploring all the spins and all the possible entries certainly can benefit a CFI IMO. No person in the world can do 0.5 hours of spin training and really be ready for even half of what is possible when a spin goes wrong from the student making improper inputs.
IMO every CFI should be able to answer these and explain in detail why, if you can't you should get more spin training:
- What spin entry is more dangerous a slipping or skidding cross controlled entry, and why?
- While in a spin which is more dangerous turning the ailerons into the spin or out of the spin (opposite direction) and why?
- When in a spin is it more dangerous to shove the stick forward too fast or not fast enough and why?
- What are the dangers of a secondary spin? Is this structurally dangerous?
- If a spin becomes inverted what do you do?
- In what step of the spin recover phase can holding the elevator aft be helpful? Why? (Hint: It has to do with airflow over the rudder.)
- How do you recover from a spin if it flattens? What steps can you take to avoid flat spin entry? What combination of controls is most likely to flatten your spin?
These are only the ones I could shoot out just now off the top of my head. It has been 3 or 4 years since I have had in depth spin training so I am sure there are more. Remember if your training this stuff, what if your student does something and it puts you in situations you haven't seen? That is when thorough spin training saves lives.
juskl
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We use Great Lakes to teach all aerobatics and we also use it for our spin endorsements. We do all spin entries. From the basic entry, to cross control (base to final entry)... Flat spins, reversal, accelerated, emergency spin recovery (feet only, no hands), as well as inverted spins.....
You are right, there is no need to spend 350 per hour for your spin training.... but if you think that less is more, then you are shorting yourself in a potential life saving skill... and your ability to teach it... why not come to those of us that do it all the time??? Doesn't have to be me. But I guarantee going to a school that specializes in this will teach you more then .5 in a 152....
You are right, there is no need to spend 350 per hour for your spin training.... but if you think that less is more, then you are shorting yourself in a potential life saving skill... and your ability to teach it... why not come to those of us that do it all the time??? Doesn't have to be me. But I guarantee going to a school that specializes in this will teach you more then .5 in a 152....
I have never done this, is it for inverted spin situations in an aircraft without a 5 point belt? I would consider this scenario an emergency. You know where you might have to use your hands to keep your head from plummeting into the ceiling. Let me know what thats about, I have to go up and give that a shot.