Southwest Airlines pilot arrested for bringing loaded handgun to airport

Bandit_Driver said:
I know those are the rules and they make very little sense. Makeup and items over the 311 rule, are safe if are in uniform and get screened. Take the uniform off with the same ID and suddenly the same items are now deemed dangerous simply because you don't have a monkey suit on... What is easier to fake a pilot/fa uniform or all the other ID items that crew members have?

on another note it still cracks me up that we have to physically take the ID out of any holder and hand it to FLL TSA...
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I don't really have a problem with dissuading non-revs from using the KCM checkpoint, but I'm weird like that.
 
Derg said:
I don't really have a problem with dissuading non-revs from using the KCM checkpoint, but I'm weird like that.
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You are.

Identity validation is the basis of all (real) security; existing processes are adequate enough to justify reduced screening for me when I'm in uniform, but not when I'm out of uniform, a patently ridiculous state of affairs.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
You are.

Identity validation is the basis of all (real) security; existing processes are adequate enough to justify reduced screening for me when I'm in uniform, but not when I'm out of uniform, a patently ridiculous state of affairs.
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A uniform proves nothing IMO. It all about the credentials.
 
This was how it was explained to me by a TSA top man.

There are only two designations. Crew member and passenger. Crew member is identified as an individual in uniform with a proper valid ID. If you are not in uniform, you are designated a passenger and must follow the passenger rules. There is no allowance made for “crew member out of uniform.” If you, (meaning us,) want to add that, you need to get Congress to amend the law.

As for them having to touch the ID, you can thank a regional FO for shenanigans with his ID.
 
Cptnchia said:
This was how it was explained to me by a TSA top man.

There are only two designations. Crew member and passenger. Crew member is identified as an individual in uniform with a proper valid ID. If you are not in uniform, you are designated a passenger and must follow the passenger rules. There is no allowance made for “crew member out of uniform.” If you, (meaning us,) want to add that, you need to get Congress to amend the law.

As for them having to touch the ID, you can thank a regional FO for shenanigans with his ID.
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that is not technically correct either as there is a 3rd option. Crewmmeber out of uniform but screened at KCM checkpoint follows another set of rules...
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TSA is inconsistently inconsistent
 
LyteChop said:
What happened?
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He had made a scan of his ID for some reason. Later, he “misplaced or lost” his ID, and instead of reporting it, made a color copy from the scan and stuck it in an ID holder. Took a while to catch him, but now the TSA is supposed to touch it to make sure it isn’t just a piece of paper.

We are our own worst enemy. It’s only a matter of time before someone screws the pooch royally and KCM goes away.
 
Cptnchia said:
We are our own worst enemy. It’s only a matter of time before someone screws the pooch royally and KCM goes away.
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I think TSA is looking for any reason to get rid of it. I would hate to be the one who causes it!
 
Cptnchia said:
He had made a scan of his ID for some reason. Later, he “misplaced or lost” his ID, and instead of reporting it, made a color copy from the scan and stuck it in an ID holder. Took a while to catch him, but now the TSA is supposed to touch it to make sure it isn’t just a piece of paper.

We are our own worst enemy. It’s only a matter of time before someone screws the pooch royally and KCM goes away.
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That is maybe the most dim witted nonsense I've heard. I used to be badged at LAX, it took an FBI background check and probably 3 weeks from start to finish. I literally had to be escorted into the hangar until I got my badge. If you forgot or lost your badge you were sent home. It's all prox sensors and PINs. I hated it.
 
One airport-similar to what you described.

Bigger airport with a Major Airline Manufacturer located on the field-15 minutes at the office with a passport.

TSA: security by unpredictability.
 
Cptnchia said:
He had made a scan of his ID for some reason. Later, he “misplaced or lost” his ID, and instead of reporting it, made a color copy from the scan and stuck it in an ID holder. Took a while to catch him, but now the TSA is supposed to touch it to make sure it isn’t just a piece of paper.

We are our own worst enemy. It’s only a matter of time before someone screws the pooch royally and KCM goes away.
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The problem with taking your badge out of it's holder is even that is inconsistent. Some places make you, some don't.

This new crap of having crew members take all their electronics out of their bags too, even EFB's is complete nonsense, and again, there is no consistency there. We aren't asking for them to part the sea, we are asking for them to all be the same.
 
mshunter said:
This new crap of having crew members take all their electronics out of their bags too, even EFB's is complete nonsense, and again, there is no consistency there. We aren't asking for them to part the sea, we are asking for them to all be the same.
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You know, that as long as you’re in a TSA Pre line, or KCM, you don’t have to. It’s only the schmucks that are in the regular line that have to do it. Unfortunately, if there is no KCM or Pre, crew have to comply with the schmuck rules!
 
Is it that hard for TSA to follow the directives. I have been asked for additional ID in the past. kCM Company ID and DL wasn’t good enough. TSA also wanted my passport too. WTF Barney fife making up crap as he goes. Wonder what he would have done if it was out for renewal or I was all domestic and didn’t bring it.






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Bandit_Driver said:
Is it that hard for TSA to follow the directives. I have been asked for additional ID in the past. kCM Company ID and DL wasn’t good enough. TSA also wanted my passport too. WTF Barney fife making up crap as he goes. Wonder what he would have done if it was out for renewal or I was all domestic and didn’t bring it.k
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TSA in DC only sets the MINIMUM required to be completed. Each airport TSA director is allowed to add to the minimum in whatever procedures they want.
 
Cptnchia said:
He had made a scan of his ID for some reason. Later, he “misplaced or lost” his ID, and instead of reporting it, made a color copy from the scan and stuck it in an ID holder. Took a while to catch him, but now the TSA is supposed to touch it to make sure it isn’t just a piece of paper.

We are our own worst enemy. It’s only a matter of time before someone screws the pooch royally and KCM goes away.
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But the replacement badge is, like, $100 man. Steep.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Completely up to whoever the Pd and DA are and what agenda they are pushing. I’d imagine in ny dc Chicago you’d be screwed and in tx you might get a warning.

What is bs is how much TSA harasses flight crew. Saw s FA get s random and then take all her makeup for being over the 311 rule. Just because she was not in uniform. In uniform she’d been able to keep it.


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This is simple. If you have to go through using normal pax rules because you are out of uniform commuting or whatnot and they find your makeup or water bottle and it's extensive or important enough to keep, use those same pax rules and elect to not proceed through security and have them hand you your item back. Go to the bathroom, put on the uniform and try again.
Or just go through in uniform in the first place.
 
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