Southwest 1st Day at LGA a failure

ok swa as well as every other "jet" gets preferential treatment over turbo props. I know that we all go 250 below 10k but it does not matter. SWA is an easy scapegoat for me since they are in and out of alb all the time. It does seem that if a SWA jet just takes off out of fll and I am 10 miles from alb i get holding instructions but that just might be me. :)
 
I've noticed Eagle gets preferential treatment when I'm going into a certain airport. They pull it back to 170 about 10 out. I, on the other hand, hold 250 until 2700 ft. Well, I would if I didn't have to get in line behind them.
I cry FOUL!
 
SmitteyB said:
No yawning about it.

I've been slowed for SWA going to into MHT when he was 15 miles behind me, both below 10k. It's sickening.
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Happens to us all the time in MHT brett, just say "behind Southwest" after every one of your radio calls. "090........behind southwest," "down to 2000......behind southwest"
 
BajtheJino said:
I've noticed Eagle gets preferential treatment when I'm going into a certain airport. They pull it back to 170 about 10 out. I, on the other hand, hold 250 until 2700 ft. Well, I would if I didn't have to get in line behind them.
I cry FOUL!
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Aren't you supposed to be at 200 inside class D and C? Unless your talking about a Class B airport but most in the country have you speed restricted till the marker, at which point you slow to final approach speed. I just dont see the need to be doing 250 that close in, but thats just me.
 
mrivc211 said:
Aren't you supposed to be at 200 inside class D and C? Unless your talking about a Class B airport but most in the country have you speed restricted till the marker, at which point you slow to final approach speed. I just dont see the need to be doing 250 that close in, but thats just me.
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I don't do it unless I'm requested to "keep up the speed as long as I can". Thats usually when I'm being vectored inside of an -11 or something. But, the difference is noticeable when people slow way out. The morning push will be late.
 
mikecweb said:
And I've been slowed for American, Delta, USAir, Southwest, and every regional.
Please give us a break and save the SWA treatment whine for your crew room.
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Well since you fly some little airplane that isn't associated with an airline I assume you wouldn't understand.

Yes, Southwest gets preferential treatment.

If there was a Southwest pilot reading this thread he wouldn't have any reservations about saying yes they do receive preferential treatment, and would be proud of it.

It's no secret.


Well, maybe you and a few others think it is some conspiracy I suppose.
 
mrivc211 said:
Aren't you supposed to be at 200 inside class D and C? Unless your talking about a Class B airport but most in the country have you speed restricted till the marker, at which point you slow to final approach speed. I just dont see the need to be doing 250 that close in, but thats just me.
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Try again.
 
I think in PHL the SWA guys use the "Min fuel" as some sort of SWA/ATC code word for let us get in first.... Never fails that during a hold at BUNTS you will hear at least one SWA guy who is just entering the hold declare to threaten to declare min fuel.... :) I have a hard time thinking, that all of them truely are that low... But I could be wrong.
 
joliet said:
Well since you fly some little airplane that isn't associated with an airline I assume you wouldn't understand.

Yes, Southwest gets preferential treatment.

If there was a Southwest pilot reading this thread he wouldn't have any reservations about saying yes they do receive preferential treatment, and would be proud of it.

It's no secret.


Well, maybe you and a few others think it is some conspiracy I suppose.
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I got nothing.
 
I think this thread drifted a bit.

Moral of the story is that the crew that was operating that first flight messed up VERY badly. Sure, they may have been new to the airport, but despite people pimping their LGA experience like a badge of honor, it's not THAT hard to operate there.

Is it a reflection on ALL Southwest pilots? No... certainly not. But this particular crew certainly managed to make a splash.
 
woog315 said:
Why do airline guys get worked up about asking for shortcuts?
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Block or better? I get paid more when I fly slow.

I had hear of one airline actually paying you extra for the time that you dont go over block. Say your flight is blocked for 60 minutes and you do it in 53 minutes, then you would get paid for 67 minutes. Sounds pretty good and add incentive to get in early.
 
mikecweb said:
And then you wanted to be treated as a professional and demand higher wages from your companies.
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I really dont fly slow on purpose. It never works out. Especially being 20 - 30 hours under guarantee anyway. And most of our stuff is block for a long taxi, ifr to destination, and an approach following someone in.
 
mrivc211 said:
Aren't you supposed to be at 200 inside class D and C? Unless your talking about a Class B airport but most in the country have you speed restricted till the marker, at which point you slow to final approach speed. I just dont see the need to be doing 250 that close in, but thats just me.
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Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft at or below 2,500 feet above the surface within 4 nautical miles of the primary airport of a Class C or Class D airspace area at an indicated airspeed of more than 200 knots (230 mph.). This paragraph (b) does not apply to any operations within a Class B airspace area.

FAR 91.117
 
joliet said:
Well since you fly some little airplane that isn't associated with an airline I assume you wouldn't understand.
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First of all, we're all doing the same speed below 10,000 unless you're breaking the regs.:)

And lastly, I'm pretty sure that within 15 miles of the airport I'd get beat you in that "little airplane".....easily.:)

Yes I'm talking trash.

I don't see how you think that us freight pilots wouldn't understand. We fly into the same airports you do.
 
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