Southeast Airlines- Scary Stuff

This is probably an all too common problem with smaller airlines. The VPs replies were so funny, kind of answers you would expect from use car salesman.

The problem is their training expenses are so much higher then the major carriers, they do not have the network to re-route planes, crews, pax as need, every flight is needed for the cashflow, so bending the rules slightly, is probably just SOP in the managers eyes.
 
Wait, let's put two and two together here, may this post and article has something to do with SkiBum's article. SkiBum' post

Maybe the guy that rammed the counter at Southeast is actually a disguntled employee?


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Well, even though I'm not a pilot, I would have to say that I will never fly that airline. I would have to agree w/ lain that that is something that I would expect to hear from management.
 
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I came across this article about Southeast Airlines. To me this sounds like another Value-Jet disaster waiting to happen. How would some of you pilots on here act when faced with this situation?

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/04/Tampabay/Southeast_Airlines_sk.shtml

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Well, I've quit jobs with no other employment lined up and a new baby in the house over less things than this.

Normally I'm skeptical of news articles, but this is an extremely well researched and written aritcle. Sounds like a typical scumbag non-sched. There were a lot more of them in the 80s, but airlines that have practices like this always go out of business eventually.

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Damn, it has to be southeast. Why can't we have a good airline in the southeast?
 
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Damn, it has to be southeast.

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What do you mean? Southeast is next to unheard of, it doesn't fly many places. I am sure there are better alternatives Brian.
 
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Why can't we have a good airline in the southeast?

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Delta not good enough for you, Brian? AirTran? PanAm?
 
AirTran? That's ValuJet, the born-again airline isn't it?
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AirTran? That's ValuJet, the born-again airline isn't it?
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Indeed. Guess you could say the same for PanAm...
 
This happens at most airlines, when the numbers are close. I think that most of us have smudged the numbers every once in a while and just stay quiet about it, I do not condone it, but it does happen.
 
Wow. This is what happens when a bunch of corporate gurus get together without doing research and decide start an airline. The fact that the FAA has sent them several letters of correction is bad enough. If this were a small mom & pop maintenance operation, the FAA probably would've pulled their license by now. Here's a couple of my favorites....

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"But I can tell you that no one has been or ever will be fired from Southeast Airlines for reporting a safety issue,"

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Fired? No, but when they walk into the office with a letter of resignation already typed our for them to sign, it's kinda cut and dry. Wonder what would happen if they refused to sign it? I bet the company would take their ID and conveniently "forget" the circumstances regarding their departure.

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In the case of Hirst, the pilot who refused to fly without safety documentation, Haglund said the increase in legal aircraft weight from 105,000 to 108,000 pounds was in Hirst's flight manual but that Hirst "just didn't know where to look for it."

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Now, I'm not even a commercial pilot yet, much less an ATP. But I think I might check the limitations and the weight and balance section for those numbers. I'm pretty sure he knew where to find them. Now, after hearing complaints that the company didn't even HAVE training materials, who knows what their manuals looked like. Couldn't the guy he called on the phone just tell him the page number in the manual instead of "it's none of your g*dd*mn business?" I would have refused to fly the plane too, based on the information presented. I'd rather be unemployed than dead.....
 
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but airlines that have practices like this always go out of business eventually.

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Let's hope that if the allegations are true, it happens before someone dies.
 
What I mean is why can't SouthEast be good? SouthWest is one of the majors and does great, southeast sucks.
 
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"...Southeast, a carrier that emerged in 1999 from the remnants of another airline called SunJet."

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Isn't SunJet the charter company that Payne Stewart was flying when they crashed? I remember reading the NTSB report and it was due to shoddy maintenance
 
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What I mean is why can't SouthEast be good? SouthWest is one of the majors and does great, southeast sucks.

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Do you mean Southeast as an airline or just an airline that's based in the Southeast? To answer your question, looks like Southeast could use better management with more emphasis on safety. That might make them better. If your talking about the name, airlines named after regions are just names now. Southwest might have started in, well, the Southwest, but they're hardly contained there. Northwest flies into the southeastern US, so that's the entire OPPOSITE of their name-sake.
 
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"...Southeast, a carrier that emerged in 1999 from the remnants of another airline called SunJet."

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Isn't SunJet the charter company that Payne Stewart was flying when they crashed? I remember reading the NTSB report and it was due to shoddy maintenance

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Yeah, that Lear was operated by Sunjet aviation. I spoke to a pilot who flew that particular airplane, and he mentioned something about the oxygen tank leaking, and the manual valve needed to be used to turn it on/off.
 
Question for the numbskulls that fire someone for adhering to safety regulations: In this day and age, how can you possibly expect to axe someone for being in the right both technically and morally, and not have it blow up in your face?
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(Besides, everyone knows you just make the job so miserable that the poor schmoe will want to quit after a couple of months. You may still get sued, but at least that can be be ambiguious.)
 
I like how pretty much all the company can say its those claims are untrue. They are like a little kid getting in trouble they come up with every excuse possible to put the blame on someone and it "never our fault". What a joke of an operation they seem to be running. I have flown out Brooksville many times and even though its legal putting a DC-9 or -80 in the is pushing it. On normal day in FL when its hot its got to be tough to get out of there..
 
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