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Kestrel452

Kestrel452

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I don't know what it is with the public perception about talking a plane down, but after seeing the episode of Mythbusters concerning talking down an airliner I was shocked to say the least. Adam and Jamie landed the plane and Jamie said "It was not hard". This really ticks me off because a type rating that costs thousands of dollars is effectively described a bupkiss by them. And even with auto pilot, planes do not "virtually land themselves" as they so coloquially put it as far as I can tell. If a newbie couldn't land a Piper Warrior without at least a dozen tries, what makes anyone think they can land a Boeing without thousands of hours of experience?

Any input?
 
Kestrel452 said:
I don't know what it is with the public perception about talking a plane down, but after seeing the episode of Mythbusters concerning talking down an airliner I was shocked to say the least. Adam and Jamie landed the plane and Jamie said "It was not hard". This really ticks me off because a type rating that costs thousands of dollars is effectively described a bupkiss by them. And even with auto pilot, planes do not "virtually land themselves" as they so coloquially put it as far as I can tell. If a newbie couldn't land a Piper Warrior without at least a dozen tries, what makes anyone think they can land a Boeing without thousands of hours of experience?

Any input?
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autoland anyone???
 
Its not particularly hard to land a plane with little regard to procedure, speeds, etc.

I think the majority of people who think about it realize pilots earn their pay in bad weather and emergencies.
 
Kestrel452 said:
I don't know what it is with the public perception about talking a plane down, but after seeing the episode of Mythbusters concerning talking down an airliner I was shocked to say the least. Adam and Jamie landed the plane and Jamie said "It was not hard". This really ticks me off because a type rating that costs thousands of dollars is effectively described a bupkiss by them. And even with auto pilot, planes do not "virtually land themselves" as they so coloquially put it as far as I can tell. If a newbie couldn't land a Piper Warrior without at least a dozen tries, what makes anyone think they can land a Boeing without thousands of hours of experience?

Any input?
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Yeah they do.

Tlewis95 and i had the chance to go to Dentek and fly the sims there when our DPE went to recurrent.
He greased the A320-232 in on his first landing... I had a slight tailstrike (;)), but everyone survived. this was when i was a student pilot, and didnt play "flight sim".

It can be done, and from a flying standpoint, it isnt hard to fly. now to really fly/understand everything, it's hard...

Granted it's not Airport '75, but still
 
Doug Taylor said:
Well, it's a little bit more than mashing the "land" button! ;)
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I was speaking in as simple terms as possible.:D

Think about it. Is it easier to tell someone with no aeronautical knowledge what buttons to push in what order, or try and teach them how to actully fly over the radio? ;)
 
I managed to put a 717 on the runway at Honolulu with a 25 knot 90 degree crosswind and a ceiling of 500 feet.

In a simulator.
 
How hard would it be for a nobody to get to fly a airline simulator. Just have the connections or a lot more than that?
 
DPApilot said:
tune the localizer freq... big deal! :sarcasm:
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I would give $1000 to the charity of your choice if we can go randomly find a guy on the street with zero aviation experience, put him into a 767 simulator and tell him to "make it autoland" and have it com out successfully with no other assistance. And get it stopped before running off the end of the runway and ending up crumbled on the freeway.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I would give $1000 to the charity of your choice if we can go randomly find a guy on the street with zero aviation experience, put him into a 767 simulator and tell him to "make it autoland" and have it com out successfully with no other assistance. And get it stopped before running off the end of the runway and ending up crumbled on the freeway.
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Exactly. Contrary to popular opinion there is no one "Autoland" button. The system still has to be programmed, FMS and MCP, and the aircraft properly configured manually, flaps and gear. Plus, on rollout, you still have to take manual control of the plane eventually.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I would give $1000 to the charity of your choice if we can go randomly find a guy on the street with zero aviation experience, put him into a 767 simulator and tell him to "make it autoland" and have it com out successfully with no other assistance. And get it stopped before running off the end of the runway and ending up crumbled on the freeway.
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hey i said land, not stop

ok, so you have to have the speeds set, autobrakes as required touchdown, verify spoilers, reverse thrust to 80 or 60 knots, take the next highspeed:D
 
Doug Taylor said:
I would give $1000 to the charity of your choice if we can go randomly find a guy on the street with zero aviation experience, put him into a 767 simulator and tell him to "make it autoland" and have it com out successfully with no other assistance. And get it stopped before running off the end of the runway and ending up crumbled on the freeway.
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Like the Sabreliner 60 that ran through the 24th street perimeter fence while landing on PHX 26R about 16 years ago?
 
ctab5060X said:
There is always that "open house" at JetU!

PM sent.
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Now see, I was going to put it in the members announcement section in late August, but I guess I'll let the cat out of the bag now.

I start JetU on September 12 and really wanted to fly a real life simulator before I got there. Kind of a "leg up" if you will.

I'm going to fly the big jets!!!! :nana2:
 
I have a friend who is a MD88 captain with Delta. He invited me over to ATL for a couple of hours in the sim. I did not have that much trouble landing it. But he was sitting right next to me pushing all the right buttons and talking me down. He showed me an autoland. It was kind of spooky with the aircraft flaring on its own. I didn't even see the runway till the nose wheel came down.
 
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