so many mis/uninformed pilots out there

taseal

taseal

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I have given up trying to explain to people that places like jet university, gulf stream and such are worthless... it takes at least a 10-20 min convo to get them to figure out its not worth it (sometimes they still don't budge saying how they have emailed the companies, and how they want these training programs, and they actually do)

I just wanted to say how much people out there want to go to these schools...

these places will never run out of business
 
This is the only profession where people say, oh, hell, I'd do his job for free and then go and do things just that.

Hell, they even pay for a job!

I've never seen anything like it. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about the concept of getting paid to work.
 
tonyw said:
This is the only profession where people say, oh, hell, I'd do his job for free and then go and do things just that.

Hell, they even pay for a job!

I've never seen anything like it. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about the concept of getting paid to work.
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what we are supposed to get paid?!



:sarcasm: :D
 
taseal said:
I have given up trying to explain to people that places like jet university, gulf stream and such are worthless... it takes at least a 10-20 min convo to get them to figure out its not worth it (sometimes they still don't budge saying how they have emailed the companies, and how they want these training programs, and they actually do)
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Welcome to my world!

these places will never run out of business
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Nope.
 
tonyw said:
I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about the concept of getting paid to work.
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Probably because done correctly, the road to getting a good job is a long and hard road with a lot of obstacles. The newer generation is one of instant gratification and entitlement.

I find that pilots who are taking a route of building up time and experience through what ever means (CFI, pipeline, drop zone, etc.) are the types of pilots you WANT to fly with.

The guys who pay for a job are the whiney, egoistic, holier than thou types that make me want to open the door in flight and push.
 
I met a guy here that started at Delta Connection, then moved over to Ari Ben. He had a job lined up instructing in multis at Ari, but apparently that was gonna take too long, so he went to JetU. I don't even wanna know how much $$$ it's cost to get this job. For the record, before taxes, I made $26K this year. That's not bad....until you factor in the fact that I flew 95 hours pretty much every month and got bought off 5 or 6 trips. And that's with 7 months at 2nd year pay.

This guy's rationalization was "well, I'll only be an FO for like a year, then I'll make more $$$."
 
kellwolf said:
This guy's rationalization was "well, I'll only be an FO for like a year, then I'll make more $$$."
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That's pretty much the same that people that say "I'm going to XYZ because they have a fast upgrade" are implying, yes?
 
taseal said:
I have given up trying to explain to people that places like jet university, gulf stream and such are worthless... it takes at least a 10-20 min convo to get them to figure out its not worth it (sometimes they still don't budge saying how they have emailed the companies, and how they want these training programs, and they actually do)

I just wanted to say how much people out there want to go to these schools...

these places will never run out of business
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Since we are fortunate enough to have these schools located down here, it seems like that is all a lot of people know about. I know a guy that had just gotten his commercial and was going to Gulfstream because he didn't want to "waste time" instructing. Also know a girl that used to work at Spirit that is working at my company now that told me she was interested in aviation and one of the pilots at Spirit told her to go to JetU. I was able to show them better ways based on what I've learned here. If it wasn't for having some guidance from people here I'd probably be going to one of these programs as well.
 
kellwolf said:
I met a guy here that started at Delta Connection, then moved over to Ari Ben. He had a job lined up instructing in multis at Ari, but apparently that was gonna take too long, so he went to JetU. I don't even wanna know how much $$$ it's cost to get this job. For the record, before taxes, I made $26K this year. That's not bad....until you factor in the fact that I flew 95 hours pretty much every month and got bought off 5 or 6 trips. And that's with 7 months at 2nd year pay.

This guy's rationalization was "well, I'll only be an FO for like a year, then I'll make more $$$."
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Was this guy pretty short with Spikey hair from California? If he is he didn't just leave Ari-Ben he sort of kind of got kicked out. :D
 
moxiepilot said:
Probably because done correctly, the road to getting a good job is a long and hard road with a lot of obstacles. The newer generation is one of instant gratification and entitlement.
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I don't buy that. Every generation is about instant gratification and entitlement. Look at the 1920s. Extensive buying on margin and investing ludicrous amounts of money in new technologies led to the Stock Market crash/Great Depression.

The difference was that programs like JetU Gulfstream weren't available 20 years ago. In fact I'd argue that one major problem with aviation is that there isn't enough of a sense of entitlement. 20-30 years ago you had to have a college degree and probably military time to be an Airline Pilot. At the same time there was a much smaller percentage of the population with a college degree. So if you had a college degree you probably came from a family where your father made a fairly decent salary. So you expected (one could argue you felt "entitled") to make a salary that was as much if not more than your father. As such your pilot group wouldn't work for wages that were less than their non-flying peers.

Now I fly with captains that don't have degrees. A lot of them come from very working class families. I've heard them say that they can't imagine earning 90,000 a year and that they think it's ridiculous for pilot's to make more than that. My wife comes from a working class family and she took a lot of crap when she went to University of Michigan. Her family felt like she was trying to usurp them and perhaps somehow belittle them with her success.

Entitlement isn't always a bad thing.
 
The problem is that in this world of debt, debt, debt, people just aren't realistic about how much a $50k + loan is going to hurt their QOL for the next 30 years or so. $30k for Gulfstream to be an FO in 4 months, or $3k for the CFI to become an FO in 12 months? Only an idiot would choose the prior, but there's no shortage of them.
 
Until Microsoft comes out with SurgerySimulator X or LawyerLand 6.0, we'll be the only profession where people claim they'd do it for nothing. Our job is also very closely related to a hobby, and that will forever be the downfall.
 
dude u guyz dont kno what ur talkin about i go 2 jetu and when ur toolin around in the pattern in 6mos look up and u will see me in the rj
 
ICBM's launched and headed your way. No way to recall them.

Sorry. Cheers!
 
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