So, how bad is your carrier melting down...

juxtapilot said:
Skywest does, and I've been burned by this... If the gate agent asks, they can put a deadheader in the jump. It's in skywest's "contract."
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Up until mid 2011 when I went to the ramp, if the gate agent asked, the captain would basically tell them to go to hell. Must have changed.
 
This is one of the first discussions I've read on here where I feel completely afloat. It sounds like there's a lot more to jumpseat etiquette and protocol than is formally published? As someone who may and/or may not end up flying for a CASS carrier at some point in the future: Would anyone be willing to give me a little sidebar explanation of the nature of this conflict? I may not fully apprehend the manifold distinctions between 'jumpseating', 'commuting', 'deadheading', and 'non-revving', and their relation to rest rules, precedence, and the like.

If this is all "You would know it if it applied to you" stuff, then that's fine, too. ^.^

-Fox
 
///AMG said:
Yeah we weren't sure at first how much we would like it, but it ended up being great for both the mrs and I, speaking after being here for a little over 2 years now. Much better professionally speaking for her than central CA. We miss San Diego a lot, but we don't miss pretentious and ostentatious southern Californians (not that everyone in SoCal is like that certainly). To answer your question, I fly legacy Hornets.
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I miss the Va Beach area. Personally, Id say its a lot better than SoCal but that's just me. We used to spend some down there a lot when I was growing up in NOVA and went to college in Fredericksburg and Richmond. Sandbridge was always a nice place to get away from the tourist or make the few hour trek down to the Outer Banks. Im a total east coast beach person.
 
Acrofox said:
This is one of the first discussions I've read on here where I feel completely afloat. It sounds like there's a lot more to jumpseat etiquette and protocol than is formally published? As someone who may and/or may not end up flying for a CASS carrier at some point in the future: Would anyone be willing to give me a little sidebar explanation of the nature of this conflict? I may not fully apprehend the manifold distinctions between 'jumpseating', 'commuting', 'deadheading', and 'non-revving', and their relation to rest rules, precedence, and the like.

If this is all "You would know it if it applied to you" stuff, then that's fine, too. ^.^

-Fox
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Yup, theres a hierarchy, attached with rules and regs. DHing is a company supplied seat, its likely they need you somewhere and will likely get you on the airplane no matter what. They will bump hungry women and children off that plane if it means getting you from ORD (your base) to IAH (not your base) to cover that 48 minute IAH to BHM overnight. The rest are fairly the same and fall into that CASS category. It is entirely up to you to make those accommodations.
 
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Derg said:
Who?
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Southwest. They put two cockpit jumpseats in their 737s because of this policy they have.

I don't buy the 'desperately' part of his hypothetical scenario anyway.
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Yep.

Everyone from the guy flying on miles to the last minute full fare passenger is 'desperately' trying to get to where they want to go. That's why they want to fly at 550mph in an aluminum tube to get there.
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Yep.

With that said, your primary concern is safe transportation, within company and federal policy, from Point-A to Point-B.
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I owe you a sandwich.

Here's the decision flowchart:

Safety (wouldn't be reasonably prudent to expect that the aisle/window seat I'm contracturally guaranteed is less restful than a jumpseat — DONE)

FAR, ATC, and company policy compliance

Passenger comfort

Schedule

Economy
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I owe you another sandwich.

If and when you screw something up, the FAA, your chief pilot and your union representatives will walk right down this checklist when you first sit down during your hearing. #axemehowiknowoverabeersometime
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Make it a third one!
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yes I did.

Maybe I didn't make the example clear. Your original trip is:

Day 1 - EWR-MCO
Day 2 - MCO-EWR-DEN
Day 3 - DEN-ORD-EWR

Day 1 you overnight at MCO. Day 2 all hell breaks loose, and my comment applied about the DH to DEN. You get to DEN with plenty of time and rest before your Day 3 flight outbound of DEN. Assume your priority of arriving ready and fully rested still happens because all you have on day 2 is the DH from MCO to DEN and straight to the hotel. You will do your Day 3 flight the next day as planned.

Seggy, same with your scenario. You are done in DEN because they need you to fly the DEN leg outbound the next day.
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What @Derg said in post #237...

My ass is sitting in the back in my assigned seat.
 
SeanD said:
I miss the Va Beach area. Personally, Id say its a lot better than SoCal but that's just me. We used to spend some down there a lot when I was growing up in NOVA and went to college in Fredericksburg and Richmond. Sandbridge was always a nice place to get away from the tourist or make the few hour trek down to the Outer Banks. Im a total east coast beach person.
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Yeah we live south in the Red Mill/Dam Neck area so OBX and Sandbridge are both pretty short drives for us which is nice. And it is also just a pretty central location......not too far to DC, Philly, close to Richmond, Charlottesville and if you want to drive a little further, pretty much anywhere on the eastern seaboard is doable. I actually prefer east coast metro areas to west coast ones, I just don't enjoy being out in the boonies of the SE, which I have done at other places/times.

Anyway, sitting in the airport, waiting for a delayed jet to arrive from SFO. Awesome.
 
juxtapilot said:
Skywest does, and I've been burned by this... If the gate agent asks, they can put a deadheader in the jump. It's in skywest's "contract."
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See also what @ChasenSFO said, though. I haven't been asked, ever on my RJ deadheads and GENERALLY it wouldn't help on the real airplane either, so yeah.

(If they don't know to ask, and most of our agents either do not know, or know and won't, I'm not tellin'.)
 
///AMG said:
Yeah we live south in the Red Mill/Dam Neck area so OBX and Sandbridge are both pretty short drives for us which is nice. And it is also just a pretty central location......not too far to DC, Philly, close to Richmond, Charlottesville and if you want to drive a little further, pretty much anywhere on the eastern seaboard is doable. I actually prefer east coast metro areas to west coast ones, I just don't enjoy being out in the boonies of the SE, which I have done at other places/times.

Anyway, sitting in the airport, waiting for a delayed jet to arrive from SFO. Awesome.
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If you're in to fishing, OBX is the best. From the beach or a boat. Id recommend the Oregon Inlet area. I have a friend who runs a cool little charter fishing company out there. Let me know and Ill put you in touch.
 
Acrofox said:
This is one of the first discussions I've read on here where I feel completely afloat. It sounds like there's a lot more to jumpseat etiquette and protocol than is formally published? As someone who may and/or may not end up flying for a CASS carrier at some point in the future: Would anyone be willing to give me a little sidebar explanation of the nature of this conflict? I may not fully apprehend the manifold distinctions between 'jumpseating', 'commuting', 'deadheading', and 'non-revving', and their relation to rest rules, precedence, and the like.

If this is all "You would know it if it applied to you" stuff, then that's fine, too. ^.^

-Fox
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From what I understand,

Jumpseating - Sitting in the cockpit jumpseat, or in the cabin jumpseat because there are no seats available.

Commuting - Getting to work by your own means (IE, Bus, Car, Train, Non Reving, etc)

Deadheading - When the company you work for pays for you to have a confirmed seat on the aircraft to meet your trip at a different city.

Non-reving - Flying standby.
 
Stupid question from the uninformed, but what is the aversion to sitting in the jumpseat? Is it less comfortable than a coach seat? Is there less room?
 
exneophyte said:
Stupid question from the uninformed, but what is the aversion to sitting in the jumpseat? Is it less comfortable than a coach seat? Is there less room?
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Depends on the A/C...Airbus' are pretty nice to ride on...the 737 is turrible...the 757 isn't bad, but it's location is a PIA (Unless it has the 2nd one)...the 767 is awesome and the 777 is even more awesome.

There are times I've taken the J/S over sitting between two fatasses in a middle seat in coach...it's never, ever the seat between the two cute girls.
 
It's very odd I was expecting bell this weekend but every leg went out on time and the only hiccup was an Mel for the coffee maker and catering forgettting one of my crew meals. I seem to only get delayed 5 hours on clear calm days.
 
exneophyte said:
Stupid question from the uninformed, but what is the aversion to sitting in the jumpseat? Is it less comfortable than a coach seat? Is there less room?
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For those that have to use a cabin jumpseat (or flight attendant jumpseat), my carrier prohibits the use of cellphones, reading, or sleeping.
 
///AMG said:
Yeah, that would definitely have simplified the problem....then again, I probably would have driven in the first place.....made that drive several times when I was at Miramar (Lemoore being more or less along the route), and it was always a fun road trip, at least once you got past the grapevine traffic, which wouldn't be an issue coming from Lemoore
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I was born at the old Naval Hospital in Lemoore. I finally got to go back several years ago when my ex-brother in-law was at VFA-146. Oceana is nice. I did my sea duty over at NAS Norfolk. Having grown up in San Diego, it was the pretty much same; lots of bases close together, lots of military, only exception was it not being SoCal. I wouldn't mind moving back one day, its a nice area when you get out of the city.
 
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