Sloooooowwwww down!

@ av8sean and mokulele.... I know you work for the same place. I will laugh when you run off a taxiway taxiing too fast. You're right Boris, mind my own business. But as long as you don't kill anyone, I will laugh at the failure of a career due to the high and mighty attitude.

So, those who advocate no jumpseater involvement - if you're doing 300+ descending through 10, and the jumpseater pointed it out, would you say, MYOB?

Again, I will laugh when you guys get fired for bending metal - because my seniority number will go up. To each his own.
 
The worst was flying with a guy at a regional whose sole desire was to get hired by WN. Hyper freaking maniacs that taxiied at 40 knots or more. Braking around corners? What's that? I learned what the sound of a skidding nosewheel was long before I was a CA thanks to those idiots. My only call to pro standards was prompted by one of them. You probably knew him...

Hell, I probably represented him. :) Nothing I hated more than having to represent unsafe captains that truly deserved punishment.
 
[modhat]Please tone it down, and if you can't keep it friendly, at least keep it professional.[/modhat]
 
@ av8sean and mokulele.... I know you work for the same place. I will laugh when you run off a taxiway taxiing too fast. You're right Boris, mind my own business. But as long as you don't kill anyone, I will laugh at the failure of a career due to the high and mighty attitude.

So, those who advocate no jumpseater involvement - if you're doing 300+ descending through 10, and the jumpseater pointed it out, would you say, MYOB?

Again, I will laugh when you guys get fired for bending metal - because my seniority number will go up. To each his own.

Wow, classy. When was the last time you taxiied an airplane being in an RJ right seat?

My company is known for faster taxi speeds as well (we jokingly refer to it as the "mocha taxi"), and well, we have no problem keeping our aircraft "in play." You don't know how my aircraft handles on the ground, and heck, you don't even know how your aircraft handles on the ground. So again, mind your own business. I know how to do my job better than you know how to do my job, and I'm not going to taxi the aircraft in a manner that's going to bend metal. What you see may be perfectly normal and safe, but without experience in the aircraft type you don't have a leg to stand on.

Now, if you're riding along and we start drifting full scale below the glideslope and I don't notice, you need to say something. Do you see the difference between the two scenarios?

:bandit:


Oh hey dasleben...

Hey J. You bail out of PPW yet? :D
 
So, those who advocate no jumpseater involvement - if you're doing 300+ descending through 10, and the jumpseater pointed it out, would you say, MYOB?

Again, I will laugh when you guys get fired for bending metal - because my seniority number will go up. To each his own.


Two things, real quick:

1) In the jumpseat, you are actually in the cockpit and have full situational awareness. In the cabin, you are making your best guess from a 12"X12" window. There are routes I flew with very regular frequency when I was at my small domestic airline, in airplanes that I had thousands of hours in, and there were plenty of times where I didn't quite know where the jet was, or what they were doing upfront.

2) The second paragraph is very unprofessional. If you said, "I would hate to see anyone get in trouble for bending metal. It could happen to anyone of us. If you operate closer to the edge of the envelope, you have less room for the every day errors that each of us experience.", statements like you're trying to make are better received.

Just food for thought.
 
Oh brother......taxiing arguments, combined with RJ FO slaps. What's next? Arguing over which spikey hair gel is better? :D

None of this is worth raising one's blood pressure over.
 
Prell is the best.

Let's work together on cutting down the vitriol and finding common ground to work our way out of this industry mess in 2010.
 
When was the last time you taxiied an airplane being in an RJ right seat?

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I'm still laughing.

-mini
 
Interestingly enough, my unprofessional response stays, but the one where I ask serious questions goes.

Everyone here reads WAY too much into posts:

I didn't say I hoped people would bend metal. I can go back and read it - and you can to. I said "when" you do, I would laugh - I choose not to feel bad for people when they're attacking, rather than educating. I believe that your attitudes aren't conducive to safety. Again, I didn't say I HOPE anyone here bends metal. I hope no-one does. When I get attitudes like the replies to this sort of post though, I wonder if you guys care...

My OP may be out of line, however, let me reference this part of a post of mine that was removed:

Unfortunately I can't go back and edit the original post for clarity, but no where in there did my tone (when I was writing it), imply IN MY MIND, that I was singling someone out for humiliation. I merely thought I was providing an observation, with some rough (yes, very rough), details. "Slow down" is just an advice. I never said "that guy was going wayyy to fast". I meant the following: "by my (ROUGH) calculations, he was doing 38 knots on a contaminated (unverified) surface, DANG!". Dang is my way of saying, whoa I think that's fast.... but I was NOT trying to be a jerk, like some of you are. If it came across that way in the OP, then my apologies.

So, let me rephrase again: in the ORIGINAL post, guys, I was not trying to be a jerk, a backseat driver, or anything. It comes across as that, I admit. However, I can't go back and edit the post, all I can do is clarify, but it's very difficult to clarify when you've got people jumping down your throat rather than saying, "hey I think that's kinda rough, dude, you might consider rephrasing". Of course, life's not perfect, but you guys get just as defensive at a stupid post as I do at one personally attacking.

A third time (since I'm not sure how to put it down right): I had no ill intention with the original post of ratting someone out or calling them out. I honestly 100% will say my intention was to just say "I thought we were fast for the supposed conditions". It comes across poorly, and then I've got 5 different people that I have to respond to in order to attempt to clarify/defend. There is no defense for it - just understand I didn't MEAN to have it come across that bad, though you say it does. So therefore, my apologies for writing it, since I shouldn't have even been backseat driving.

@dasleben - the last time I taxiied an RJ from the right seat was when I was in the smaller RJ. It is a lot harder to taxi that thing purely through pedals. The turn onto the runway is pretty tough and the last time I did, the CA helped out with that part with the tiller.

Where is the line in the sand to be drawn with minding my own business?

Am I minding my own business when the following things have occurred in the cockpit with me present:

If you were jumpseating, and the two pilots were doing in excess of 300 knots descending through 10,000 feet, would you say something?

I didn't say a word, as the CA said something right at 10K. Was a heck of a level-off.

If the pilots had been cleared to a certain altitude, but "spin it up" incorrectly, to about 100 feet off, would you say something?

I said something. It was 5 AM coming into home base and I was JSing on a large carrier. They were cleared to 3500 and spun up 3600... I mentioned, "I'm probably wrong, but I thought I heard them say 3500".

When you are doing 150 kts steady with a REF of 142, and the PNF says "speed", do you feel annoyed?

I have been told off by CAs when I mention this. It's in the book that I am supposed to say it.
 
I have been told off by CAs when I mention this. It's in the book that I am supposed to say it.
Sure. When you're in the cockpit. When el cap-e-tan says something, you just have to say "it's in the book that I'm supposed to say it" and move on. When you're back with the rest of us, lean back, close your eyes and catch a few more Zs on the way to the gate. Chillax a bit. Let the guys up front do their job. You don't want some glorified passenger on a power trip telling you how to do your job, do you?

-mini
 
Sure. When you're in the cockpit. When el cap-e-tan says something, you just have to say "it's in the book that I'm supposed to say it" and move on. When you're back with the rest of us, lean back, close your eyes and catch a few more Zs on the way to the gate. Chillax a bit. Let the guys up front do their job. You don't want some glorified passenger on a power trip telling you how to do your job, do you?

-mini

Absolutely. My mistake for being a backseat passenger. Like I said, I didn't intend for it to come off in that way. Unfortunately it did. If I could have gotten more responses like yours it would have gone by the wayside faster. But most people like to "go on the attack".

As far as passengers on power trips, I'm used to that. They do what they do. I've gotten lots of backhanded compliments for landings, we've been told about traffic, et cetera. Oh well. It doesn't upset me. I just laugh it off. Sometimes what they do notice is the facts, such as when I absolutely plunk it onto the runway. 10 feet can be a long drop, sometimes.
 
As far as passengers on power trips, I'm used to that. They do what they do. I've gotten lots of backhanded compliments for landings, we've been told about traffic, et cetera.
I particularly love being told "it doesn't really take 3 hours" or "well we did this trip last time without a fuel stop". My particular favorite? While waiting for TEB to give us a release, sitting in the pad down by 24 "can't you just grow some balls and get us going?".:confused:

Re: attacking.

Eh....it's teh interwebs. It's what we do.

-mini
 
I particularly love being told "it doesn't really take 3 hours" or "well we did this trip last time without a fuel stop". My particular favorite? While waiting for TEB to give us a release, sitting in the pad down by 24 "can't you just grow some balls and get us going?".:confused:

I don't fly enough to the NE to get THAT sort of treatment. Though I've heard some horror stories from FAs about White Plains. I think they should start giving the TSA warning as often as I hear that they have to tell passengers not once or twice, but three times to shut off portable electronic devices after the door has been closed and the initial announcement has been made.


Re: attacking.

Eh....it's teh interwebs. It's what we do.

-mini

*sigh* :( that's why I came to JC.... it is supposed to be different. I have to "watch my back" here as much as other places too....
 
*sigh* :( that's why I came to JC.... it is supposed to be different. I have to "watch my back" here as much as other places too....

Don't initiate anything, don't fire back. If you see something that's not in keeping with the website, use the 'report post' feature (exclamation point inside the triangle.)
 
I don't fly enough to the NE to get THAT sort of treatment. Though I've heard some horror stories from FAs about White Plains. I think they should start giving the TSA warning as often as I hear that they have to tell passengers not once or twice, but three times to shut off portable electronic devices after the door has been closed and the initial announcement has been made.
I don't know how they deal with people talking and being rude during the safety briefing. I've become a real jackass about it. When someone decides they're going to ignore me or talk over me, I stop, crouch down between the front seats, put a crappy smile on my face and stare at them. Usually followed by "It's okay, you don't need to stop on my account...I can wait."

I don't know how FAs do it...seriously. :(

*sigh* :( that's why I came to JC.... it is supposed to be different. I have to "watch my back" here as much as other places too....
I used to pay for a site because it was supposed to be different. Meh...it's teh interwebs. I use it for what it is, entertainment.

I'd say :beer: but they're trying to get us going out of here today...bummer.

-mini
 
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