Is his ghost going to pop out and scream "boo!" during the flare?
Well....there was the ghost of flight 401.....the deceased FE from 401 appearing to people on other Eastern L-1011s that had salvaged parts from 401s wreck inspected and installed.
Skywest pilot attempts to steal company plane
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Well....there was the ghost of flight 401.....the deceased FE from 401 appearing to people on other Eastern L-1011s that had salvaged parts from 401s wreck inspected and installed.
inigo88
Composite-lover
I don't get this "we only have one side of the story" argument. The only two people who can tell the other side of the story are dead, one of whom involuntarily.
Reading this thread is very strange. The Jetblue pilot thread had a distinct lack of sympathy, despite the fact that all the guy did was have a psychotic breakdown and start freaking out. He was obviously in need of serious psychiatric help, but everyone here was like "throw the book at him!" "lock him up!" rabble rabble rabble.
Now here's a gentleman who murdered his girlfriend for no other reason than she wanted a "break," after a recent criminal history of domestic violence police calls. He could have very easily had the chance to explain his side of the domestic violence incident in court. Instead he evaded police, who had a warrant for his arrest (if I read the article correctly), broke into his girlfriend's house again and stabbed her to death, broke into an airport, stole an airliner, wrecked it in some maniacal attempt to steal it (god knows what would have happened had he got it in the air - like MikeD said the target could have been anything from Skywest Corporate HQ to the middle of a major city), and then shot and killed himself inside to evade capture. Yet people are arguing that maybe he didn't do it, maybe the story is all wrong.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but that's not going to stop a police officer from arresting you as you're fleeing the scene of a bank robbery with a gun in your waistband and bags of money in both hands. It's called "Probable Cause," i.e. "A reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime," or "a reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true." His actions following his girlfriends murder would lead any reasonable person to strongly suspect his guilt in said murder, at the very least. Not only that but the whole thing stinks of premeditation and careful planning.
touch-n-go said:
This. And murder-suicide is even worse. For the love of god if you're going to go don't take your loved ones with you.
You guys are right though. The whole thing makes me mad just thinking about it, but at the end of the day we have to try to take care of each other. It's up to us to notice the signs (if we can). Both to help someone get the help they need, and to save those they may wish to harm in the future.
While I won't discount anything yet, to me, the three most viable scenarios are, as I mentioned before:
1. Premeditated murder of gf. Premeditated theft of an airplane.
2. Accidental or negligent killing of gf....argument or something like that....and theft of airplane was an act of desperation.
3. Crime of passion. And theft of airplane was either preplanned or desperation.
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The "one side of the story" argument was in reference to the initial crime with which he was charged. Context is CRITICAL, because I'm not talking about the killing. This is about the initial charges, where someone said "he was charged with assault, therefore I have no sympathy for him because he's a woman beater". The reason I bring that up is that it's easy to say "Well the guy threw a fit and destroyed some personal property, clearly he should be charged for it." ... but what if she'd asked him for the computer he damaged, and refused to pay him back for the trip they'd just taken, said she used him and there's nothing he can do about it, ha-ha-ha.
I'm NOT saying that's what happened, but what I'm saying is that there are two sides to that part of the story. Now that said, stabbing someone isn't an accidental sort of thing, generally. Stabbing two people is almost CERTAINLY not an accident, so it doesn't matter what the sides of that story are... my point is to address what could have been a trigger that drove a stressed and possibly irrational person over the edge.
I'm NOT excusing anything that may have followed.
Make sure to keep the facts (as presented) in the right order. Effect does not equal cause.
You don't get to "explain" things in court, to the best of my knowledge. Once you're arrested, you turn your life over to a very expensive lawyer and don't talk to anyone but her.
Quote or didn't happen. I may have missed something, somewhere, but I haven't seen anyone say "maybe he didn't do it."
Perhaps I'm missing something?
~Fox
flyeagle111
CFO
Yep. Grand Forks Herald said he attended from 90-94.
inigo88
Composite-lover
We may just fundamentally disagree on this one. To me the ultimate result makes the domestic issues more believable. Regarding cause we won't ever know what was going on in his mind, but I'd say the girlfriend leaving would be a good bet.
Or, even the reason(s) for the girlfriend leaving.........sick of relationship, found someone else, golddigger and no more gold to be had, or any other of a myriad of reasons.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
That wads no ghost, that was Ernest Borgnine!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...rgnine+ghost+401&spell=1&biw=615&bih=369#i=33
Good film!
Btw, you need to quit the SouthernJets ratrace, and go run Santini Air at KVNY.
touch-n-go
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The initial charges the guy was facing were "misdemeanour charges of criminal mischief, theft and harassment, but felony charges were dismissed Thursday." These were the initial charges. You are right in saying what he actually did to warrant the charges we do not know, however we do know that whatever he did also warranted a restraining order against him. With this, and the combination of initial charges brought against him, including harassement , one could reasonably conclude that this was a lot more than just a one time domestic dispute. That's why I inferred the "woman beater" thing.
Now adding the fact that this girl turns up dead and he is the prime suspect, only serves to affirm the reasonable suspicions from the initial charges that this guy was violent.
To be fair, if there's no criminal history of history of run-in with the law, then the bolded part above is a stretch and a very large assumption. It could indeed be true, but there's not enough evidence to support it. He could've snapped...from the breakup and restraining order, to now. Doesn't change the outcome of what happened, but there's not enough evidence to connect dots logically regarding true past, right now.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Good film!
Btw, you need to quit the SouthernJets ratrace, and go run Santini Air at KVNY.
So you gonna be Jan Michael Vincent? We could mix genres and Derg could be TC, but only if I get to be Magnum. Who's gonna be Higgins?
ljg
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Suicide is for cowards. It takes a real level of maturity to realize and admit you have a problem and then seek help for it. Murder, suicide, theft and reckless endangerment is beyond cowardly. Sad situation. I wish people would take better care (physically and mentally) of themselves.
touch-n-go
Well-Known Member
Point taken.
fholbert
Mod's - Please don't edit my posts!
How much gold does the typical RJ pilot have?
I kind of figured she dumped the guy because he was getting nutty.
[offtopic] Magnum PI is a great show. The dynamics of the characters and their interactions was amazing. And it was the first television show to highlight Vietnam vets and portray them in a positive light. Other shows only inferred or barely touched on the topic.[/offtopic]
Or, she could've been seeing someone else. Not that much of a stretch with many women (and men too) in the military Ive encountered.
On the gold thing, maybe he invested in krugerands that G Gordon Liddy was selling.
Am not discounting what you wrote, as it may very well be true. Im just waiting for more evidence to support that theory, or not.