SkyWest Hiring FOs

Actually, skywest is one of the few regionals that in anyway piques my interest (BLASPHEMER!) seriously though. If they paid a bit more than $22/hr on first year pay, it'd be halfway decent, because the bases are all places I find tolerable.
 
If they paid a bit more than $22/hr on first year pay, it'd be halfway decent, because the bases are all places I find tolerable.

I agree, although $22/hr seems to be the going rate for a first year FO. Not only are most of the bases tolerable, they are pretty awesome. How does one live in a place like Santa Barbara, LA, San Fran, etc.... on that kind of pay? Sugar momma is the only thing I can think of. I'm not that lucky.
 
Actually, skywest is one of the few regionals that in anyway piques my interest (BLASPHEMER!) seriously though. If they paid a bit more than $22/hr on first year pay, it'd be halfway decent, because the bases are all places I find tolerable.

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I agree, although $22/hr seems to be the going rate for a first year FO. Not only are most of the bases tolerable, they are pretty awesome. How does one live in a place like Santa Barbara, LA, San Fran, etc.... on that kind of pay? Sugar momma is the only thing I can think of. I'm not that lucky.

Well...

It's really not that difficult. That is, unless you decide to do this game without the proper financial planning.

Look, it's no surprise that the pay in entry-level 121 Jobs is not that wonderful. However, and this may be a problem for most 20-23 year olds, if you are a career changer or if you're currently flying in the part 91 or 135 realm, and you are entertaining the idea of transitioning to Part 121...then there is really no excuse that you can not properly set yourself up financially to deal with the 75 hours a month at 1st year pay.

We can argue all day long if that's even needed, but if you're wise about your money, there is no reason one can not make the transition to the Part 121 game without seeing a real hit to their quality of life.

So, Pat...the doors are open and I'm sure many of us here would do a great deal to get you hired at a wonderful company with a - largely - wonderful pilot group, but don't let the $22 an hour worry you (better yet, come help us improve it) when you can make wise financial decisions (saving, minimizing debt) before coming to work for such a company.

Granted, I have a working spouse, but I left a well paying CFI/CFII/MEI job making just about $3000 a month to get into the 121 game. Proper saving allowed us to keep up the same type of quality of life that I actually had when I was an E-4 in the Air Force, which was eating out two to three times a week, seeing a movie whenever we wanted to, paying cash for my PPL, and buying whatever it was that we wanted - while banking 36,000 in savings before I seperated. Keep building one's savings, and USE it when you need to (when you come into an entry-level 121 job).

Or...don't...keep sticking it out at that Part 91 or 135 gig that you're comfortable with, nothing wrong with that. But don't think that every 1st year FO making 22-26 an hour is hurting financially. You may be sorely disappointed.

The only thing I'd like to really say is this. For most of these guys coming out of ERAU or UND, or whatever big name Aviation School, with a largely useless degree in Aviation Management or Professional Piloting (lol), they are stacked with so much debt that they have the worst financial planning decision making ability in the world. Part of me feels a little bit of sympathy, but they made their bed (or their parents did) and now they're trying to crawl through their young adult professional life making absolutely no money while paying off that $100,000 education.

They are, largely, the ones you see complaining about the pay and not being able to make it. Because they can't. Not that I think professional pilots need a financial planning and decision making training to be successful, but it's a difficult concept for most 22 year olds who are graduating college with no real experience in managing their own funds until they enter into this profession.

And of course - yes - the pay is lower than what we all want. It will always be that way, no matter what seat, equipment, or longevity. We all can be paid much much more. It's up to us to negotiate for it. Give it time.
 
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Well...

It's really not that difficult. That is, unless you decide to do this game without the proper financial planning.

Look, it's no surprise that the pay in entry-level 121 Jobs is not that wonderful. However, and this may be a problem for most 20-23 year olds, if you are a career changer or if you're currently flying in the part 91 or 135 realm, and you are entertaining the idea of transitioning to Part 121...then there is really no excuse that you can not properly set yourself up financially to deal with the 75 hours a month at 1st year pay.

We can argue all day long if that's even needed, but if you're wise about your money, there is no reason one can not make the transition to the Part 121 game without seeing a real hit to their quality of life.

So, Pat...the doors are open and I'm sure many of us here would do a great deal to get you hired at a wonderful company with a - largely - wonderful pilot group, but don't let the $22 an hour worry you (better yet, come help us improve it) when you can make wise financial decisions (saving, minimizing debt) before coming to work for such a company.

Granted, I have a working spouse, but I left a well paying CFI/CFII/MEI job making just about $3000 a month to get into the 121 game. Proper saving allowed us to keep up the same type of quality of life that I actually had when I was an E-4 in the Air Force, which was eating out two to three times a week, seeing a movie whenever we wanted to, paying cash for my PPL, and buying whatever it was that we wanted - while banking 36,000 in savings before I seperated. Keep building one's savings, and USE it when you need to (when you come into an entry-level 121 job).

Or...don't...keep sticking it out at that Part 91 or 135 gig that you're comfortable with, nothing wrong with that. But don't think that every 1st year FO making 22-26 an hour is hurting financially. You may be sorely disappointed.

The only thing I'd like to really say is this. For most of these guys coming out of ERAU or UND, or whatever big name Aviation School, with a largely useless degree in Aviation Management or Professional Piloting (lol), they are stacked with so much debt that they have the worst financial planning decision making ability in the world. Part of me feels a little bit of sympathy, but they made their bed (or their parents did) and now they're trying to crawl through their young adult professional life making absolutely no money while paying off that $100,000 education.

They are, largely, the ones you see complaining about the pay and not being able to make it. Because they can't. Not that I think professional pilots need a financial planning and decision making training to be successful, but it's a difficult concept for most 22 year olds who are graduating college with no real experience in managing their own funds until they enter into this profession.

And of course - yes - the pay is lower than what we all want. It will always be that way, no matter what seat, equipment, or longevity. We all can be paid much much more. It's up to us to negotiate for it. Give it time.

Extremely well said mate. That is exactly my thoughts on the aviation career. I could have jumped into training full time years ago but I would have been on struggle street right now with debt! Now at 25 I'm in a position where I'm nearly good enough to cover flight training and support myself for those first year or two where I'll studying, then working on base CFI wages. And as above, rinse and repeat when you take that step into a regional.
 
Not to be a downer and I hope we are hiring (we need it), but any recent newhire has been a UAL furlough, and after they run out of those they have about 70-100 poolies. But yes the base options are fantastic (the number one reason why I chose this place). Good luck!
 
For most of these guys coming out of ERAU or UND, or whatever big name Aviation School, with a largely useless degree in Aviation Management or Professional Piloting (lol), they are stacked with so much debt that they have the worst financial planning decision making ability in the world.

I would just like to say that the percentage of military students in ERAU's flight program is 15-25%. The GI bill does wonders mitigating debt.
 
So what is reserve like at SKW? Any long calls? Ready reserves? Are they using everyone? Is there a commuter clause? I would be pretty open to any base? If you get the Bro and end up in a base like SBA, are there any affordable places to live? If anyone can give us a good "day in the life" that would be good.
 
The only thing I'd like to really say is this. For most of these guys coming out of ERAU or UND, or whatever big name Aviation School, with a largely useless degree in Aviation Management or Professional Piloting (lol), they are stacked with so much debt that they have the worst financial planning decision making ability in the world. Part of me feels a little bit of sympathy, but they made their bed (or their parents did) and now they're trying to crawl through their young adult professional life making absolutely no money while paying off that $100,000 education.

Very well said Surreal. Before I jumped into professional aviation, I also built a savings and paid cash for all of my ratings. As a result, I didn't start flying professionally until I was 29. But my QOL since then has been very good (even when I was a CFI), and I've been able to pursue a lot of options that may not have been possible if I was burdened with debt. I just can't imagine not being able to go out and have a beer every once in awhile, or take a nice trip somewhere, get a nice meal with the girlfriend, etc.

When I was in my early 20s, I did have a lot of debt since I was pretty clueless financially. It's an easy trap to fall into, and was one of the hardest things in my life to change. But I'm very thankful that I had that lesson early in life, and am currently helping my girlfriend move towards a debt free life as well (she's almost there). It's remarkable how much more freedom one has when they get out from under all that crap, and I will NEVER go back, even if I have to work eight different jobs.
 
I don't have a lot of room to talk being as I work at a company with a 70-something seat turboprop that is used to get around scope, but I would have a hard time going to a company that is putting a 70+ seat jet, in UAL colors, on CAL routes out of IAH.
 
I would just like to say that the percentage of military students in ERAU's flight program is 15-25%. The GI bill does wonders mitigating debt.

Sure it does, but there are many MANY other ways to minimize debt by NOT going to an overpriced school. Sure, ERAU may have it's benefits (debatable), but when the MGIB runs out, you're still left with quite a bit of debt.

I wouldn't mind seeing in another thread how the Post 9/11 GI Bill works.

But I know first hand how well the MGIB can work. It paid for my post-PPL flight training and my undergraduate degree.
 
The only thing I'd like to really say is this. For most of these guys coming out of ERAU or UND, or whatever big name Aviation School, with a largely useless degree in Aviation Management or Professional Piloting (lol), they are stacked with so much debt that they have the worst financial planning decision making ability in the world. Part of me feels a little bit of sympathy, but they made their bed (or their parents did) and now they're trying to crawl through their young adult professional life making absolutely no money while paying off that $100,000 education.

I wish I'd done things differently and not come out with that kind of debt, but I did, and I get to live with it. That's fine, but not all of us are "crawling" through life because of it; it's just money. As far as your "largely useless degree" comment is concerned, well, I think you need to show your peers a little more respect than that.
 
So what is reserve like at SKW? Any long calls? Ready reserves? Are they using everyone? Is there a commuter clause? I would be pretty open to any base? If you get the Bro and end up in a base like SBA, are there any affordable places to live? If anyone can give us a good "day in the life" that would be good.

Hey bud, I try to answer in order your questions,
1. I've never done it but it sounds pretty rough, I still think it would be a big step up from flight instructing.
2. Yes
3. From personal experience any time I have been "ready" it was because a round trip canceled. They won't call you from home to have you sit at the airport.
4. The only time Skywest has ever been staffed, was maybe some parts of 2009. Unless another 100 year style event happens expect to be used and if you ever get a line you will not be able to drop anything.
5. No but no one has ever gotten in trouble if you miss your backups. Airlines would have to shut down if they didn't allow commuters. Remember this.
6. SBA is closed so don't worry about it. Expect FAT.
7. Uhhh it depends. I do cushy two day trips. If I was new in the bro, i'd expect a lot of 7 leg days. At least it would be up and down the coast of CA.

Hope this helps! Good luck!
 
I think you need to show your peers a little more respect than that.

Agreed.

I don't want to sidetrack this tread but I fly with a lot of pilots (also there are plenty on here) who don't understand that most degrees are worthless without work experience. Accounting, engineering, and nursing are probably the only undergrad degrees that you can actually launch a career from. If most pilots were furloughed and got out of flying they would be working at Lowes. Some guys think because they have a business degree from university of Phoenix they can fallback into a cushy 75k plus job at a fortune 500, when the reality is they will be selling mutual funds at wells fargo for 30k plus commissions.
 
Reserve--haven't done it either much as well, but I think it sucks no matter what airline you're at. If you're in base, it's probably tolerable.

Long calls--12hrs, but they get called out before the short calls, so I think they end up getting used a lot.

Ready Reserve--they do use it, and they will call in short-calls to sit ready apparently. As a lineholder, they can't assign you to ready reserve if there's a cancellation--you'd be put on "shift cancellation reserve"--a 2hr call out.

As far as utilization goes, we are short staffed right now, so I'd assume the reserves are getting used regularly.

There is no specific commuter clause, but like Hootie says, as long as you leave yourself some backups you'll be fine if you can't get on them and give them enough notice to staff the trip. I've missed a couple of commutes due to weather and maintenance and never heard anything about it.

We're gradually closing the really expensive bases (San Diego is gone, Monterey is gone). Most of the bases will have crashpads available if you want to commute.

I'm relatively senior in my base as an FO but I commute, so I fly a lot of weekday 3 and 4 day trips. The 4 days are always commutable for me; three days sometimes require a hotel on one end. I try to get at least 20hrs out of a 4day and 17hrs out of a 3 day. Out of my base, we have overnights everywhere from Quebec to San Francisco. The 700 flying is more often out west. We've got some good work rules that make life pretty tolerable--full cancellation pay (and it's leg by leg, so if you overblock big time on a flight and then get a round trip cancelled, you get paid for the turn and the overage), no mandatory junior manning, all reflows have to be complete by the end of the original duty period.
 
I don't have a lot of room to talk being as I work at a company with a 70-something seat turboprop that is used to get around scope, but I would have a hard time going to a company that is putting a 70+ seat jet, in UAL colors, on CAL routes out of IAH.


Never miss an opportunity to keep your mouth shut.

Which part of my comment isn't reasonable?
 
I agree, although $22/hr seems to be the going rate for a first year FO. Not only are most of the bases tolerable, they are pretty awesome. How does one live in a place like Santa Barbara, LA, San Fran, etc.... on that kind of pay? Sugar momma is the only thing I can think of. I'm not that lucky.
I know people in all 3 of those cities working at places like Footlocker and getting by. They don't have it easy, but its possible.
 
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