Skywest crew caught drinking, not thinking

Boris Badenov said:
I'm not over-surprised that you think that what another pilot does when they're not at work is any of your business, but I'm damn near shocked that you'd report someone in way that might totally screw up their life because you've somehow diagnosed them based on observing them going on "a two day bender in Europe". Where'd you get your MD? And what business is it of yours, anyway, provided they show up to work fit for duty? MYOFB.
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You seem to not understand how a union works. Telling a union rep something doesn't get anyone in trouble. Everything about HIMS is completely confidential. The most the rep will do is attempt to talk to the pilot about his problem. He's not reporting him to anyone.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You seem to not understand how a union works. Telling a union rep something doesn't get anyone in trouble. Everything about HIMS is completely confidential. The most the rep will do is attempt to talk to the pilot about his problem. He's not reporting him to anyone.
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How many have you talked to your union about?
 
Markf64 said:
Derg

I understand. The line I quoted can have a lot of gray area to it. How gray? As Fletch said: Charcoal.
I think of it as more of an honest self assessment prior to climbing into the flight deck.

I jumped into the thread because I, like many of the other posters here, have had personal and sometimes tragic experiences with friends/family who have had problems with alcohol.
It is my sincere hope that the two Skywest crew members being discussed here will seek help and can turn their lives around.
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I completely understand.

I kind of figure if everyone shows up to work on-time, legal and ready to perform, their dark secrets and various maladies are going to be handled in their social and family circles.

Otherwise, my job would become 5% job and 95% "intervention" with the amount of dysfunction in the workgroup.
 
Last time I checked, my job as an airline pilot is to show up to work on time and transport the cattle from A to B in a safe and timely manner. It's not to play dad, counselor, or shrink. I really don't care what you do in your free time, and kindly keep your nose and your opinion out of mine. KTHXBAI.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I've never understood why people argue that drinking somehow makes a boring layover city suddenly less boring. If the simple act of having a drink gives you such joy as to make Fargo a fun layover, then you need some help.
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Take Eagle's lost weekend in AZO. Our new hotel has nothing around it. But AZO has Bell's Brewery, I like the taste of beer. So I would bid the lost weekend with a CA that is a big home brewer and we would go down to the Bell's Cafe aka Eccentric Cafe and have a few beers. I never bid the AZO overnight if it wasn't long enough to go down to the Cafe to try something new. There are always beers you can only get there.

There is another lesson here and that is be nice to the hotel employees.
 
Gonzo said:
Take Eagle's lost weekend in AZO. Our new hotel has nothing around it. But AZO has Bell's Brewery, I like the taste of beer. So I would bid the lost weekend with a CA that is a big home brewer and we would go down to the Bell's Cafe aka Eccentric Cafe and have a few beers. I never bid the AZO overnight if it wasn't long enough to go down to the Cafe to try something new. There are always beers you can only get there.
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Obviously a special circumstance.

There is another lesson here and that is be nice to the hotel employees.
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Very true. Be polite to everyone at the hotel, and tip generously.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
None. Well, except for the ones in the course of official union business where the CP was coming to me about them, of course. I don't fly much, though, and when I do, I'm almost never on a real layover. Standups are the most I do.
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You have the indication of knowing about the cocaine pilot. You didn't indicate him as a problem?
 
There's a pilot drinking this. REPORT HIM! He must be an alcoholic!
 

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Boris Badenov said:
I'm not over-surprised that you think that what another pilot does when they're not at work is any of your business, but I'm damn near shocked that you'd report someone in way that might totally screw up their life because you've somehow diagnosed them based on observing them going on "a two day bender in Europe". Where'd you get your MD? And what business is it of yours, anyway, provided they show up to work fit for duty? MYOFB.
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The HIMS rep (as ATN_Pilot said, this is not someone in management) could save the person's life.

I've never spoken to the HIMS people about another pilot, but I'd also reserve it for the worst possible situation, i.e. a pilot shows up to go to work smelling of alcohol (or obviously under the influence). You tell the guy to call out sick, then get him in contact with the HIMS people. Even if he just had a one-off night of drinking and made the error of showing up unfit for duty, make sure his bases are covered. If someone from management finds out instead (or he busts an alcohol test), he's toast.
 
This is great advice and spot on.
dasleben said:
The HIMS rep (as ATN_Pilot said, this is not someone in management) could save the person's life.

I've never spoken to the HIMS people about another pilot, but I'd also reserve it for the worst possible situation, i.e. a pilot shows up to go to work smelling of alcohol (or obviously under the influence). You tell the guy to call out sick, then get him in contact with the HIMS people. Even if he just had a one-off night of drinking and made the error of showing up unfit for duty, make sure his bases are covered. If someone from management finds out instead (or he busts an alcohol test), he's toast.
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when I was developing the Professional Standards program at SkyWest I worked closely with the HIMS director there. Do not get caught with intent to fly, that means in the lobby at the van dressed in uniform, or at any point thereafter. If you are flying with someone who has, tell them that if they do not follow your admonition to return to the room and call in sick (at the very least, if they do not call HIMS) it isn't really your job to contact HIMS, leave that to the crew member. But if they refuse tell them you will be COMPELLED to report it there, at the hotel, in the earliest stages before any further damage can be done to him, your crew and the company. Then follow through...be compassionate, you don't have any idea what led this person to this place. It may be that he has been an ass the whole trip and your inclination would be to let him roast...if that's the case BE COMPASSIONATE ANYWAY! Do the right thing not the vindictive thing.
 
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