Skw CRJ Landing incident LAX, plus airport ARFF info

Good department indeed. They were lucky in 1991 when USAir 1493 crashed into their auxiliary fire station after skidding into it following the landing collision with Skywest 5569. That station was empty at the time,.

The bottom pic is a bit dated, but cool, as the far end truck is an Oshkosh M4000, a huge truck that was a civilian version of the huge military P-15, slightly different and with a slightly reduced water tank. Not many were built. LAX used one of these, as well as ATL, PHX, and TUS. PHXs former M4000 is in California somehwere and appeared as background in a few episodes of the show Entourage. TUSs former M4000 is in the Pima Air & Space museum in Tucson.
Entourage used to film at KVNY a lot, I wonder if it's there?
 
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I have no idea and it ticks me off. I have forgotten way more than I have remembered over the years it seems. lol

Here is their M15/M6000. I forgot that VCV still uses theirs. LAX may still have theirs too.

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How much water/AFFF does that carry? (I would guess 6000 gallons with that model number)

4000 actually. I meant to write M4000. Has a single turret forward. It's older brother the M6000 or P-15, carries 6100 gallons water and 515 foam and has two turrets front and aft, which the crewmen ride in on top of the truck.
 
Ahh yes. Love those old trucks. KBAD use to have one. And @MikeD, I know where one is for sale that sits just north of Shreveport. Was an old DFW truck. Wanna buy it for a grocery getter? ;)

Barksdale indeed was one of the bases that also had a P-15, what with having bombers there.

I can still drive/operate one. Here's my old USAF drivers license, qual card. Left column, 5th from bottom.

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Barksdale indeed was one of the bases that also had a P-15, what with having bombers there.

I can still drive/operate one. Here's my old USAF drivers license, qual card. Left column, 5th from bottom.

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Cool Pic, Mike!

I wish I had gotten into ARFF, but I didn't because the traffic in and out of KSHV isn't all that exciting. We have 2 stations assigned at the airport and there have been a few times in my career that I was swung into to those stations to drive the engine. But, did have a few ops to drive Charlie 1, which is a 91 TB-3000 and Charlie 3, which is a 98' TI-1500. I was impressed of the handling and the, "Out of the hole" quickness Charlie 1 had. We were rolling down rwy 14/32 and was at 85mph before I knew it. Backed it down pretty quick because I wasn't comfortable at those speeds with a machine that felt top heavy in the handling. But, the Lime Green Machine had awesome power. I was at the other end of 32 in no time flat.
Also got a few laps in TI-1500 as well. Wasn't as quick, but handled nicely too. It has a piercing nozzle attached to a arm, (which may be 75 feet when fully extended....not 100% on that tho), and has these massive LED lights and a housing with a video cam in it. They have some impressive videos of ARFF burns and drills at KBAD, where they do their yearly fire ground training.
Shreveport just recently purchased the new Striker 1500. Pretty cool looking truck and the cab area and controls are damn fine. I believe another new Striker is due this year to replace Charlie 2.
 
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Barksdale indeed was one of the bases that also had a P-15, what with having bombers there.

I can still drive/operate one. Here's my old USAF drivers license, qual card. Left column, 5th from bottom.

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What...? What are they gonna do, pull you over for speeding or something.

" can I see your licesnse and registration, please "
 
Talk about major thread drift. So... Any of you hear about the jet that skidded down the runway in LAX yesterday?

Haha! All because post #1 shows ARFF firefighters standing in a group with about as much work to do as the Maytag repairman has. :)
 
Quick question, just arm-chair quarterbacking here, but is the normal passenger boarding door the best choice for egressing out of the aircraft with an obvious gear problem? I figure if the nose gear lets go, some passenger is going to "Trebuchet".

The nose gear shouldn't let go. With any landing gear problem, especially such as this, the remaining gear should be pinned (pins installed, or clamps) to ensure nothing lets go.

what you asked. Use the MCD for expedited deplaning. Only Evac use the over wing exits.

And depending on the totality of the circumstances, this could've gone either way. Luckily it really is indeed no more than expedited deplaning. So yeah, normal egress makes sense.

The alternatives being to let them out over the wing that has fuel in it and was just dragged across the pavement at 130 knots or to jump 5 feet out the galley door with the same fear of the nose collapsing? I'd go for the Main Cabin Door.

If there's no fire currently, and no fuel seen leaking underneath, then its reasonable that there won't all of a sudden be. The wing is just a ramp with a slight incline. However, as mentioned previously already, the bigger problem is trip/fall/crouch injuries to pax going out the small overwing exit (not to mention getting injured removing it, what with their 5 second training course on it from the FA that they didn't pay attention to anyway), when there was no real exigent need to.
 
MikeD showed us:
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The lower front nozzle is sitting about 5 feet above ground, and looks like it could be lowered but doesn't look like it can - welded framework, etc. Shouldn't it lower to get under wings & engines and fuel tanks, which have a slight tendency to spill and ignite???

I got a chance to ride in a smaller one a few years ago. Makes a Hummer feel like a Yugo!
 
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The lower front nozzle is sitting about 5 feet above ground, and looks like it could be lowered but doesn't look like it can - welded framework, etc. Shouldn't it lower to get under wings & engines and fuel tanks, which have a slight tendency to spill and ignite???

I got a chance to ride in a smaller one a few years ago. Makes a Hummer feel like a Yugo!

The nozzles are moveable, through a wide range of motion. It appears solid mounted, but that's its stowed position.
 
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The lower front nozzle is sitting about 5 feet above ground, and looks like it could be lowered but doesn't look like it can - welded framework, etc. Shouldn't it lower to get under wings & engines and fuel tanks, which have a slight tendency to spill and ignite???

I got a chance to ride in a smaller one a few years ago. Makes a Hummer feel like a Yugo!

Ditto what Mike said. Also, some AARF trucks have some type of hand line, (hose) that they can deploy as well. I know one of our trucks has a 1 3/4 hose line and a 1inch booster hose.
 
Awaiting possible knee jerk reaction to the grounding of all CRJ Deuce models. There have been quite a few issues over the years, though we have had a lull in the action until yesterday. I remember explanations varying from aliens to broken Fetzer valves; basically know one could offer solid explanations of several of the incidents as everything checked out after the fact. Wonder what the feds will think of this one.
 
Oh thought this was the firetruck thread?
I thought it was a discussion about a small incident at LAX which also included ARFF just as a side interest since they were also involved and it's an interesting subject as well. I hadn't realize it was really about silly mocking memes having to do with Firefighting at airports or the equipment used. I must have missed something.
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