Single pilot 797

Autothrust Blue said:
As long as GPS works and isn't being jammed or rendered inoperative through "failure to read the specification" cough Rockwell Collins cough, nothing.
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And this is the problem ...

I don’t trust the program more than I do the person. I’m old, and that’s just the way it is for me.

I’ve seen too many software failures to trust anything but two pilots upfront who want to go home as badly as I do, or even poorer drivers than I, on the road. I want to control my vehicle when someone f’s up, not rely on a potentially-compromised program and machine to do so.

GPS fails (witness recent events). Once again, my CAD program at 911 accepted an invalid address for a cardiac arrest, CPR in progress. Responders were sent initially to a wrong and invalid address - something NOT supposed to happen, but which does with regularity (a problem growing worse with 85% or more of all calls now coming in via cell phones rather than landlines). Would the extra six minutes to get to the right place have made a difference? I’ll never know.

The 48 year old died, though.

Not sure much else matters, at least to him.

Our reliance, ever increasing, on computers to “protect” and provide for us leads to task saturation, narrowed perception, and an increasing inability to care properly for the tasks at hand which need doing in a particular moment.

The damned machines will not be our saviors, in my opinion. YMMV.
 
Bob Ridpath said:
And this is the problem ...

I don’t trust the program more than I do the person. I’m old, and that’s just the way it is for me.

I’ve seen too many software failures to trust anything but two pilots upfront who want to go home as badly as I do, or even poorer drivers than I, on the road. I want to control my vehicle when someone f’s up, not rely on a potentially-compromised program and machine to do so.

GPS fails (witness recent events). Once again, my CAD program at 911 accepted an invalid address for a cardiac arrest, CPR in progress. Responders were sent initially to a wrong and invalid address - something NOT supposed to happen, but which does with regularity (a problem growing worse with 85% or more of all calls now coming in via cell phones rather than landlines). Would the extra six minutes to get to the right place have made a difference? I’ll never know.

The 48 year old died, though.

Not sure much else matters, at least to him.

Our reliance, ever increasing, on computers to “protect” and provide for us leads to task saturation, narrowed perception, and an increasing inability to care properly for the tasks at hand which need doing in a particular moment.

The damned machines will not be our saviors, in my opinion. YMMV.
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The cold hard statistics just bely your instincts. Automation has made flying statistically safer. Self driving cars are exponentially safer than human driven cars. It’s just the numbers.
 
Ya’ know. I don’t doubt that statistically, but my heart doesn’t follow. Just seen too many failures of “foolproof” software o’er the years.

A long way to go, I think, before my 16 mile round trip to the grocery store is automated.

The brave new world will be yours, and others younger - not mine.

I’m pretty much OK with that.
 
Bob Ridpath said:
And this is the problem ...

I don’t trust the program more than I do the person. I’m old, and that’s just the way it is for me.

I’ve seen too many software failures to trust anything but two pilots upfront who want to go home as badly as I do, or even poorer drivers than I, on the road. I want to control my vehicle when someone f’s up, not rely on a potentially-compromised program and machine to do so.

GPS fails (witness recent events). Once again, my CAD program at 911 accepted an invalid address for a cardiac arrest, CPR in progress. Responders were sent initially to a wrong and invalid address - something NOT supposed to happen, but which does with regularity (a problem growing worse with 85% or more of all calls now coming in via cell phones rather than landlines). Would the extra six minutes to get to the right place have made a difference? I’ll never know.

The 48 year old died, though.

Not sure much else matters, at least to him.

Our reliance, ever increasing, on computers to “protect” and provide for us leads to task saturation, narrowed perception, and an increasing inability to care properly for the tasks at hand which need doing in a particular moment.

The damned machines will not be our saviors, in my opinion. YMMV.
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I’ll still take triple redundancy GPIRS over a sextant any day.
 
Well come to think of it, this has happened before. The Flight Engineer!
Anyone hane any historical perspective on what it was like when Flight Engineers were automated out of the cockpit?
I wonder what the conversation was back thsn?
 
Autothrust Blue said:
As long as GPS works and isn't being jammed or rendered inoperative through "failure to read the specification" cough Rockwell Collins cough, nothing.
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GPS jamming happens quite a bit, at least outside the states. Korea comes to mind most often. For it to be required is to have an unairworthy airplane.
 
z987k said:
GPS jamming happens quite a bit, at least outside the states. Korea comes to mind most often. For it to be required is to have an unairworthy airplane.
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Let’s not forget that a certain foreign leader is known to travel with GPS spoofing devices in his entourage.
 
Suppose single pilot 797 is better than no pilot airbus. I’m 35 and doubt I’ll finish my career actually inside an airplane but that’s just me. More reason to diversify your income ;)


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LE BOURGET, France (AP) — The chief salesman for Airbus says his company already has the technology to fly passenger planes without pilots at all — and is working on winning over regulators and travelers to the idea.
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ppragman said:
It's good.

Speed • kills. Most of the people hauling ass on the road haven't seen what happens to a human body during a car accident. If they did they'd probably slow the hell down.

We should all slow down, one to save fuel (it's better for the environment) and two, because it's way safer to go slower.
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Maybe they should show the clip of Maneo when he hits the ring....
 

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QXDX said:
In any number of threads about this topic; there's always someone who says some version of "it's never gonna happen." In this case it's post #20 of this thread: "not for a long time, if ever"
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“Not for a long time” is not “never.” I don’t see anyone here arguing that it simply won’t ever happen. We just don’t see it happening for decades.
 
ppragman said:
It's good.

Speed • kills. Most of the people hauling ass on the road haven't seen what happens to a human body during a car accident. If they did they'd probably slow the hell down.

We should all slow down, one to save fuel (it's better for the environment) and two, because it's way safer to go slower.
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Speed differential kills far more than outright speed.

35 in a 55 is extremely unsafe. 45(usually the min speed) in a 70mph freeway is suicidal. 55 in a 35 is very unsafe as well.
60 in a 55 is not unsafe. It's safer than 55 in a 55 when all the traffic is doing 60.

Easiest way to cause an accident is put a cop on a freeway where the traffic is freely flowing at 10-15mph over.
 
QXDX said:
The original 767, as conceived by Boeing, was designed with a Flight Engineer station. Airline customer preference for a two-pilot flight deck led to design changes. This was around 1980

The last Boeing airplane produced with a Flight Engineer station was the 747-300 in the mid-80's. When the 747-400 came out in 1988, the Flight Engineer station was gone
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What was the public and pilot reaction to removal of the FE?
 
z987k said:
Speed differential kills far more than outright speed.

35 in a 55 is extremely unsafe. 45(usually the min speed) in a 70mph freeway is suicidal. 55 in a 35 is very unsafe as well.
60 in a 55 is not unsafe. It's safer than 55 in a 55 when all the traffic is doing 60.

Easiest way to cause an accident is put a cop on a freeway where the traffic is freely flowing at 10-15mph over.
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We can't stop, we have to slow down first!

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Richman said:
Maybe they should show the clip of Maneo when he hits the ring....
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Speed didn't kill Maneo. He'd been a lot faster at many points in his journey. Actually when he hit the ring was one of the slowest points in his journey.... But the ring killed Maneo, not his speed.
 
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