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JustinS said:
How do you guys think a pilotless airplane would handle a simultaneous ADSB and GPS failure with no one up there to do anything? Not like that happened to a bunch of airplanes this past week or anything... :oops:
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I’m sure an autonomous airplane would be programmed to use VOR/DME or INS as backup. Again, the technical aspects are not all that daunting at this point. It’s more a regulatory and PR issue.
 
JustinS said:
How do you guys think a pilotless airplane would handle a simultaneous ADSB and GPS failure with no one up there to do anything? Not like that happened to a bunch of airplanes this past week or anything... :oops:
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Step 1 is keeping Bombardier and Rockwell/Collins/whomever away from that hardware, obviously!
 
ppragman said:
It's good.

Speed • kills. Most of the people hauling ass on the road haven't seen what happens to a human body during a car accident. If they did they'd probably slow the hell down.

We should all slow down, one to save fuel (it's better for the environment) and two, because it's way safer to go slower.
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Speed doesn't kill. Improper speed can kill. But the safest roads in the world are the fastest.

Poor driver training and behaviour kills. It's just easier to mitigate poor behaviour by limiting speed, than to change behaviour.
 
Probably some Dunning Kruger thing where everyone thinks they're Michael Schumacher when in reality they probably suck at driving too. I'd have no qualms about there not being speed limits if we treated driving certification like Germany does but you'd have people screaming about how it interferes with their freedom or something to that effect. Not breaking the law ain't hard.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Absolutely. Saves tons of money on insurance, and I don’t have to go down and deal with them.
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Seriously, speeding tickets can have a adverse effect on ones career. It’s best to defend against that even if the defense cost more in the short term it’ll cost less in the long term. Not all traffic infractions are legit.

My uh, friend. Had a load of tacos he was trying to get home with quick and made a “illegal u turn within 200 feet of an intersection”

Seeing that the cop wasn’t using a tape measure for that one, the lawyer took quick care of it for about 50 bucks more then the price of guilty. Got dismissed and my friend never did anything more then answer a few emails. Glorious.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Seriously, speeding tickets can have a adverse effect on ones career. It’s best to defend against that even if the defense cost more in the short term it’ll cost less in the long term. Not all traffic infractions are legit.

My uh, friend. Had a load of tacos he was trying to get home with quick and made a “illegal u turn within 200 feet of an intersection”

Seeing that the cop wasn’t using a tape measure for that one, the lawyer took quick care of it for about 50 bucks more then the price of guilty. Got dismissed and my friend never did anything more then answer a few emails. Glorious.
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Not only that, I just love depriving the government of the revenue. Because that’s all it’s really about. They’re too gutless to raise taxes, so they misappropriate police resources in order to collect revenue using traffic infractions. Try to do it to me and I’ll take it all the way to a jury trial to cost them 100x what they hoped to collect in revenue. Of course, they always give up before it gets to that point. :)
 
JustinS said:
How do you guys think a pilotless airplane would handle a simultaneous ADSB and GPS failure with no one up there to do anything? Not like that happened to a bunch of airplanes this past week or anything... :oops:
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The better question is will it be able to handle an EFIS COMP MON. Check and mate!
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Don't Ever Let Technology Advance!
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That's certainly not my position. I develop new technology for a living. It's just a matter of keeping the regulatory burden of proof commensurate with the societal value proposition. I think there are a lot of problems where the value proposition of new technology is huge. Some examples: automobile safety, general aviation safety, reducing carbon emissions in aviation to make it viable in the 21st century environmental climate. What exactly is the societal value proposition for this proposed technology? It appears to be a modest reduction to prices that already appear accessible by making major changes to a successful safety architecture. Have at it, of course. Those who pursue it just have a lot of proving to do.

New idea: Let's cut the cost of airplanes by only installing a single engine on airliners. For redundancy, cockpit speakers will be connected by a robust data link to someone on the ground specially trained in the art of making airplane engine noises.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
This is all true. But it’s also true that humans just suck at such things, regardless of testing and skill. Elon says his new Tesla hardware 3.0 is capable of processing 2,000 frames per second of data on autopilot. If your brat kid distracts you and your eyes leave the road for just a fraction of a second, you’ve become far less safe than the automatic car that is continuously processing data without fail. And the reality is that you are continuously distracted while driving, and your eyes frequently leave the road. You also don’t don’t even have the field of view or the variety of sensors that the car hardware does. The car sees 360 degrees not only in the visual spectrum, but also using LIDAR, radar, etc. The Tesla has sensors to even see underneath the car ahead of you. It will predict and prevent side impact collisions that were never even in your field of view. Etc.

Humans simply aren’t as good at this stuff as computers. We need to accept that. It will save tens of thousands of lives per year.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Well, I’m a big advocate of automation, as you might remember. The difference in aviation, at least right now, is that the pilots aren’t there primarily for the act of physically operating the appliance. They’re there to make complex decisions and deal with complex emergencies. AI will eventually be able to deal with such things. But we we aren’t there yet. Driving is a completely different scenario. It’s all about physically operating the appliance. Computers just do a better job of that now that the computing power and sensors are available and economical.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
This is all true. But it’s also true that humans just suck at such things, regardless of testing and skill. Elon says his new Tesla hardware 3.0 is capable of processing 2,000 frames per second of data on autopilot. If your brat kid distracts you and your eyes leave the road for just a fraction of a second, you’ve become far less safe than the automatic car that is continuously processing data without fail. And the reality is that you are continuously distracted while driving, and your eyes frequently leave the road. You also don’t don’t even have the field of view or the variety of sensors that the car hardware does. The car sees 360 degrees not only in the visual spectrum, but also using LIDAR, radar, etc. The Tesla has sensors to even see underneath the car ahead of you. It will predict and prevent side impact collisions that were never even in your field of view. Etc.

Humans simply aren’t as good at this stuff as computers. We need to accept that. It will save tens of thousands of lives per year.
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I’ve never caused an accident that was my fault. I also don’t drink or text n drive. Nor do I drive faster than what safe condition allow. Speeding is a huge cause in many accidents. Take speeding, alcohol, and phones out of drivers and our accident rates would go way down.

APs can be good but even algorithms make mistakes, like not seeing a white reflection truck come in front of the car.
 
Derg said:
On the Tesla.

It will attempt to alert you of speed limits, but you can override them to a certain extent.

If you try to set it to cruise at 100mph in a 65mph zone, it’s not going to do it.
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“Is it’s Tesla, I ain’t going”



ppragman said:
It's good.

Speed • kills. Most of the people hauling ass on the road haven't seen what happens to a human body during a car accident. If they did they'd probably slow the hell down.

We should all slow down, one to save fuel (it's better for the environment) and two, because it's way safer to go slower.
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High speed accident fatality? Bring a mop. You’re cleaning popsicle sticks and jello.
 
ppragman said:
It's good.

Speed • kills. Most of the people hauling ass on the road haven't seen what happens to a human body during a car accident. If they did they'd probably slow the hell down.

We should all slow down, one to save fuel (it's better for the environment) and two, because it's way safer to go slower.
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I love it watching a whole line of people tailgate each other at high rates of speed (non-NASCAR). I almost want the first car to jam on the brakes to watch the other three or four vehicles learn "a life lesson"
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’ve never caused an accident that was my fault. I also don’t drink or text n drive. Nor do I drive faster than what safe condition allow. Speeding is a huge cause in many accidents. Take speeding, alcohol, and phones out of drivers and our accident rates would go way down.

APs can be good but even algorithms make mistakes, like not seeing a white reflection truck come in front of the car.
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Yes, we all know that you’re perfect in every way. Praise Allah!
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Last I looked the domestic PTC implementation was sufficiently delayed such that I might use the term "meme," but it's been a while since I last looked.
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Maybe PTC has been delayed a little, but my company has said that PTC is "pretty much done." It looks like they are now training employees on how to use the system. The railroads spent billions creating the system but they had to in order to comply with the federal law. I doubt the airlines would ever see a system like that though.
 
CIVE_pilot said:
Maybe its been delayed but my company has said that PTC is "pretty much done." It looks like they are now training employees on how to use the system. The railroads spent billions creating the system but they had to in order to comply with the federal law. I doubt the airlines would ever see a system like that though.
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And it's GPS-dependent too. Hooray... :(
 
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