jhugz
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I am not for the pay scale, but consider it an internship if they will offer someone with less than 500 hours to get trained -- as sketchy as it is.
Internships shouldn't be taking a job away from a professional.
I am not for the pay scale, but consider it an internship if they will offer someone with less than 500 hours to get trained -- as sketchy as it is.
Just because it happens in other parts of the industry, doesn't mean it is right. A lear FO should be making $40,000/yr minimum. At $250/week that works out to be $13,000/yr. The experience alone is not worth $27,000.
Also, there are other job opportunities out there that aren't CFI jobs. I know someone that is making bank flying a C172 around the country for arial survey. Pipeline patrol, good jumper locations, arial survey, and traffic watch are all non-cfi jobs that pay better than this FO job in a Lear. SJS apparently is > making a proper living.
Industry standard is acceptable. 12,000 dollars a year before taxes is not. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out.
You're not trying hard enough. Yes I said it, you're not trying hard enough. Even during the downfall I was able to find gigs as a fresh commercial pilot that paid much, much, better then 250 dollars a week.
So basically aviation is a hobby for you rather then a career. Fantastic...how could that hurt wages?
This sums up a lot of pilots in this thread & industry. Well put.
Where is it written $40k/year for a Lear FO??? Heck, a 2LT in the military with flight pay does not make that.
I agree with Blackhawk 100%. But its still a damn shame, oh how far we've fallen over the past 30 years.![]()
There are several salary surveys put out each year by different companies and organizations. Typically two pilot light jets have FOs at around $40k Avg. Sometimes a little lower or a little higher depending on the airframe.
When going for a job like this it is ideal to go for industry standard. If you think airlines are bad, corporate and small charter can be much worse. In corporate the jet is typically the first thing to go. Same goes for expensive pilots. When the operator next door has a pilot flying for peanuts why should your employer pay more? There obviously is going to be someone out there that will take the job.
This would be a big part of the problem. You see the issue but basically give your blessing to accepting such a low paying job. Instead of giving out the gold seal of approval, why not educate the guy? Obviously you can't keep anyone from accepting the job, but at least let them know the consequences and what is typically involved at low paying carriers. Not to mention other people may not be as nice as you. You only need to piss off one person to not get hired at a future carrier and sometimes doing something out of the industry norm can cause that.
BTW, I personally got underbid for a Lear 35 job. I was going to get 40k a year with the capt getting 85,000. Someone else bid at $450/day for the captain and $150/day for the FO and obviously won. They now manage the aircraft for the company and I lost out on a great opportunity. I don't regret it.
It always amazes me the lack of self respect most pilots have. Am I the only one who would work at a Lowe's for the twice the pay before taking a job like this? I made well more then double this as a CFI in Archers and about 50% more then this CFI'ing on the east coast. Sad...
Ok I'm going to respond to this since before I moved to India, I was working at Sierra West. I was hired as a street captain for the metros. Pay was 30k with the part 135 min days off a month with a 45 minute response time. My biggest complaint was the schedule. The 45 minute callout was just terrible, not too much you can do around El Paso. At least though, the Metros were somewhat predictable so you kinda knew when you were safe or not. The lears though, they would go at all times of the day/night, very randomly. Also the lears don't fly as much either. Maintenance is crap, I've had to fly from KYIP to KELP unpressurized, with the gear down, etc etc. When you over night, unless the rooms were under like 50 bucks you had to share rooms. Were "encouraged" to fly back part 91 or you were abt to get stuck on the road for awhile. Basically they like to hire low time guys so they can push them around. Use to be a good group of pilots, but at least those who were there when I was, are gone now except one. There are many better options out there, with at least respectable pay/schedule.
=Jason-
Kind of like the guys who pay $1300 for their multi. For 8.2 hours??? Comes out to $152/hour. Considering the going rate for an MEI is $50/hour minimum that comes out to $100/hour wet for a MEL. Does not even pay for gas.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/56448-paid-training.html
Kind of like the guys who pay $1300 for their multi. For 8.2 hours??? Comes out to $152/hour. Considering the going rate for an MEI is $50/hour minimum that comes out to $100/hour wet for a MEL. Does not even pay for gas.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/56448-paid-training.html
Sorry, I guess after hotel, gas, food, DE it was $1900.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/checkride-central/65713-multi-checkride-passed.html
Or the guy who trys to get his CFI at the cheapest place.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/flight-academies-fixed-base-operators-fbo/65478-ari-ben-questionz.html
PPL training in a T-6 or how about a CJ2?
Ok I'm going to respond to this since before I moved to India, I was working at Sierra West. I was hired as a street captain for the metros. Pay was 30k with the part 135 min days off a month with a 45 minute response time. My biggest complaint was the schedule. The 45 minute callout was just terrible, not too much you can do around El Paso. At least though, the Metros were somewhat predictable so you kinda knew when you were safe or not. The lears though, they would go at all times of the day/night, very randomly. Also the lears don't fly as much either. Maintenance is crap, I've had to fly from KYIP to KELP unpressurized, with the gear down, etc etc. When you over night, unless the rooms were under like 50 bucks you had to share rooms. Were "encouraged" to fly back part 91 or you were abt to get stuck on the road for awhile. Basically they like to hire low time guys so they can push them around. Use to be a good group of pilots, but at least those who were there when I was, are gone now except one. There are many better options out there, with at least respectable pay/schedule.
=Jason-
Ahh, the JC hypocricy strikes again.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/cfi-corner/112633-accelerated-courses.htm
Post #10 "School got the students and only could do my hourly rate.:dunno: "
http://forums.jetcareers.com/member-announcements/120261-late-but-still-good-news-hired-2.html
Hmmm. I don't think their first year Lear FO's make close to $40k
http://www.willflyforfood.com/airline-pilot-salary/95/Ameriflight.html
http://forums.jetcareers.com/cfi-corner/37893-job-opportunities.html
You did your training at a school that paid their CFIs $15/hour???? You've got to be kidding me. I made more than that as a CFI in the 1990s. So it's okay for you to pay below industry standards, but not someone else?
http://forums.jetcareers.com/aviationcareerexpo-com-networkjc-2010/116141-airport-hampton-inn.html
Why would you pay below the going rate for a hotel room? Don't you know that the cheap hotels don't pay their staff as much?? Or is it okay for you to stay at a hotel that pays the maids less than the industry average??
Apparently I am not allowed to learn from mistakes and I'm doomed to forever be paid low wages, otherwise be a hypocrite. Heaven forbid I try and use what I learned to help others.
Your argument is just hilarious. I guarantee you that guy probably doubles your yearly salary flying a MOGAS Apache and Cub on floats. What do you suggest? PPL training in a T-6 or how about a CJ2?