Sierra academy instructor job (thoughts)

I'm interested in more info as well.... I'm barely maxing out four - seven hours per week where I work currently...sometimes not even that because of midwest weather. At this rate I'll be stuck here forever. Someone at APC recently posted that he's flying 187 hours per month there, holy cow if that's true!!
 
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Are you looking into going there? Someone has emailed who is currently there. I'm going to speak with him over the phone this evening. If you want more infor I can relay it.

Called today and spoke with Scott. Thinking about heading out there Monday for the CFI class starting on Dec 2. Anyone else going to be there?
 
Called today and spoke with Scott. Thinking about heading out there Monday for the CFI class starting on Dec 2. Anyone else going to be there?
I'm still up in the air about it. Ill be visiting the school today and see what it's all about in person.
 
Alright, the site advertises free food but contract says daily meals is students responsibility? ahh wish i could visit but live 5 hours away and work :(
 
Alright, the site advertises free food but contract says daily meals is students responsibility? ahh wish i could visit but live 5 hours away and work :(
Well Scott told me food is free for instructors. The contract even says that accommodation are our responsibility but he said the housing is free as well. However, they do charge $50 per month for utilities.
 
I'm still up in the air about it. Ill be visiting the school today and see what it's all about in person.

Cool. Let me know what you think. I live to far away to visit. Would love to hear your thoughts. Trying to make a decision today or tomorrow.
 
By the way guys....there is a grey area between being a student and an instructor. So Scott said they are still working on the details as for the free housing. May have to pay for housing during the cfi training but then it's free when you start instructing. The meals may be similar??? Those are things I still need to work through before committing. Good luck!
 
By the way guys....there is a grey area between being a student and an instructor. So Scott said they are still working on the details as for the free housing. May have to pay for housing during the cfi training but then it's free when you start instructing. The meals may be similar??? Those are things I still need to work through before committing. Good luck!

Thanks for the info. :) Are you able to get a hold of Scott today? I emailed him last night but haven't gotten a reply back yet.
 
Thanks for the info. :) Are you able to get a hold of Scott today? I emailed him last night but haven't gotten a reply back yet.
I have not tried today. But typically it has been easier by phone. I just called the number on the website and they patched me through.
 
I have not tried today. But typically it has been easier by phone. I just called the number on the website and they patched me through.

After some further research, I don't know how great of a deal this seems. Others in the past have reported problems getting paid and shady business owners. Good luck to you though! :)
 
After some further research, I don't know how great of a deal this seems. Others in the past have reported problems getting paid and shady business owners. Good luck to you though! :)

Yes I have read that to. I am still doing research and talking to people. I certainly do not want to get stuck or ripped off. Good luck to you as well! And please do not be shy if you find something that could work for the rest of us too. I will do the same!
 
I am going to speak up. I am currently at Sierra and will give my insight of the school. First the airplanes are beat down and torn up. Mx department is good but things break on old airplanes. It is true they had an issue with an engine on one of the Seminoles but it was a BRAND NEW engine, with around 100 hours on it. So I don't believe you can knock Sierra. Management will want you to fly. They have a lot of students that are behind and need to finish. As for management it all depends on you. I fly with my students do the debrief and then out the door when I am done. I can not say they are outstanding but won't say they are bad. There is a lot of turn over here and new people in different positions. There is a HUGH issue with scheduling and every two weeks there is a new policy trying to make it more efficient. Dress code is enforced. If you don't follow it except someone will say something to you. The CAA (Chinese Aviation Authority) made a comment about how student and instructor look. That is why it is enforced. Without their approval there is no school so you have to make them happy.

As for free housing. You will get a Dorm room and share bathroom with another instructor. You will pay $50 per month for utilities. And yes the rooms are heated. If you move in and notice your carpet is dirty contact student services and they will steam clean it. Don't expect new carpet. Remember NOTHING IS NEW at this place but will be put in working order, well mostly working order. Which takes me back the the planes. I have never seen so many "IN-OP" placards in a single fleet. You will have the legal minimum equipment for the type of flying your doing but don't expect much more. Know your equipment list. Despite popular belief, if the installed clock on the airplane is in-op, you CANNOT use your wrist watch instead. That airplane is un-airworthy for IFR.

But what really drives me nuts is the lack of resources. Nothing like having a student going on an IFR flight with only a VFR sectional because he didn't couldn't get current charts and plates. There are no "briefing" rooms available for student and instructors for one-on-one ground. However I am looking at out my window at the NEW basketball court that was built. (As C&C music factory said: Things that make you go Hmmmm)

As for the student. They are foreign students who do not speak English as their first language. So yes you will have a communication issues at times...NO !. They do try hard and want to learn, most of them, but they struggle with the language. As an instructor you will have to be at the airport when ever they solo and walk them to the airplane. This is because of the student vs propeller incident they had. Which I totally understand why they have instructors escort their student to the plane. They do pay .3 for your time. HOWEVER.....you will be asked to be available when your student goes on check ride. This mean you sitting at the airport, in uniform, while your student goes on their check-ride.....WITHOUT PAY!

There are other thing I could go on about but, I am currently uploading resumes to airlines and, cant afford to continue much longer. Please feel free to PM me with questions.
I chose Sierra because if gave me what I needed for the very short run. If I was a new CFI needing to build 1,000 plus hours for ATP I would personally choose another school.

Also, any agreement you have with Sierra about free training get in writing. Have it detail how your going to train, when your going to train, and how much your going to train.
 
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I have been reading some of these reviews, I am a current Instructor who went through the CFI program.

We have to sign a training contract in order to receive the CFI ratings. Initial CFI is about 4 weeks, once you pass your initial you go through Stands class and than start instructing. As you have students and are making money you finish your CFII and MEI. You need to have a commercial single and commercial Multi to join the program. You do have to pay 1500 dollars as a deposit. Contract is setup for a cost of I think 15,000 for all the ratings and the training. In exchange you do 1000 hours of dual given OR one year of dual instruction. HOWEVER if it takes you less than 15000 to do your ratings if say it costs only 9000 than you are only responsible to instruct a pay back amount of what you used. Once you complete your agreement you get that 1500 BACK. It only took me 12 hours to get my initial instead of the 25 hours they planned for. They honestly just want good instructors that they train from the ground up that's why they started the program.

We do live for about a month with FREE housing. Once you pass your initial and start instructing they do charge 50 bucks a month for rent and they just take it from our checks. Lunch is FREE breakfast and dinner they generally do charge for but it is only a few bucks. Is the food good? no not really but they don't force you to eat there you can go and do whatever you want it is just an option. This flight school is busy and I am watching them go through big changes which I am sure has growing pains. But reading some of these past stories I have no idea where some of this info is coming from because I do not see some of the problems that guys are complaining about. Sometimes we cause our own problems and than are the first to go and bitch about it.

Is the city the school is located at fun? NO not at all but I am not here for fun. I couldn't afford my CFI ratings and I do not know how to get to 1500 hours. So there is a school willing to pay and train me, THAN give me a job and provide me with housing which has no lease attached. WHY THE HELL NOT. I can complain about this or that and at the end of the day my basic needs are met. Just an honest opinion hopefully it works out for you guys.
 
I have been reading some of these reviews, I am a current Instructor who went through the CFI program.

We have to sign a training contract in order to receive the CFI ratings. Initial CFI is about 4 weeks, once you pass your initial you go through Stands class and than start instructing. As you have students and are making money you finish your CFII and MEI. You need to have a commercial single and commercial Multi to join the program. You do have to pay 1500 dollars as a deposit. Contract is setup for a cost of I think 15,000 for all the ratings and the training. In exchange you do 1000 hours of dual given OR one year of dual instruction. HOWEVER if it takes you less than 15000 to do your ratings if say it costs only 9000 than you are only responsible to instruct a pay back amount of what you used. Once you complete your agreement you get that 1500 BACK. It only took me 12 hours to get my initial instead of the 25 hours they planned for. They honestly just want good instructors that they train from the ground up that's why they started the program.

We do live for about a month with FREE housing. Once you pass your initial and start instructing they do charge 50 bucks a month for rent and they just take it from our checks. Lunch is FREE breakfast and dinner they generally do charge for but it is only a few bucks. Is the food good? no not really but they don't force you to eat there you can go and do whatever you want it is just an option. This flight school is busy and I am watching them go through big changes which I am sure has growing pains. But reading some of these past stories I have no idea where some of this info is coming from because I do not see some of the problems that guys are complaining about. Sometimes we cause our own problems and than are the first to go and bitch about it.

Is the city the school is located at fun? NO not at all but I am not here for fun. I couldn't afford my CFI ratings and I do not know how to get to 1500 hours. So there is a school willing to pay and train me, THAN give me a job and provide me with housing which has no lease attached. WHY THE HELL NOT. I can complain about this or that and at the end of the day my basic needs are met. Just an honest opinion hopefully it works out for you guys.
Good insight.

Do you know how long they have had this cfi program? Or how long the plan to do it? It is bad timing for me right now but perhaps if they are still offering it in march-April.
 
I've held a job where I got free (yet crappy) food, a place to live, free training, and little pay. The equipment was sub-par at times and not everyone was an expert English speaker. Also, people shot at me. My military time in my early days was invaluable.... This sounds similar.
 
I've held a job where I got free (yet crappy) food, a place to live, free training, and little pay. The equipment was sub-par at times and not everyone was an expert English speaker. Also, people shot at me. My military time in my early days was invaluable.... This sounds similar.


Wow comparing the hard work and sacrifice of our military to flight training. Also flight training for FREE for that matter. Not even close!!!!! Someone sounds miserable.
 
Wow comparing the hard work and sacrifice of our military to flight training. Also flight training for FREE for that matter. Not even close!!!!! Someone sounds miserable.

Motivations may be different, but construct seems the same.

Here's what I got out of the Sierra deal:

-Free training in exchange for some form of employment contract
-Organization wants professionals that they train from the ground up
-Dress code is strictly enforced
-Housing is spartan, but low cost
-Food is not great, but also low cost
-Area isn't great
-Pay is low, but most necessities are provided

This sounds like pretty much the same deal as enlisting, going to a military occupational school, then serving a couple of years. Much like the military, this could be an incredible deal for the right person. Also, much like the military, it's not the right fit for everybody. A really smart CFI would learn conversational Mandarin while serving his time.
 
Is anyone currently at Sierra? What were to happen if you decide to break the contract?
 
Is anyone currently at Sierra? What were to happen if you decide to break the contract?
I'm not currently there but I asked the same question to the guy hiring and he said you would owe the remaining amount.

So if it took $14,000 to get your cfi's and you work half the year or half of the hours (500) then you would owe the school $7,000. I'm not sure how the payment could be arranged. I would guess that they would want you to pay it back right when you leave...but they can't really force you to stay.
 
I'm not currently there but I asked the same question to the guy hiring and he said you would owe the remaining amount.

So if it took $14,000 to get your cfi's and you work half the year or half of the hours (500) then you would owe the school $7,000. I'm not sure how the payment could be arranged. I would guess that they would want you to pay it back right when you leave...but they can't really force you to stay.
Are you planning on going? This sounds perfect for a broke pilot that is too deep in to back out (aka me). I sent Sierra my resume, see what they say. I might see you out there.
 
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