Side gigs

Can I be in the support group? I've really got into sims. Have a One G foundation AATD and a Redbird TD2 BATD. Wanted to figure out a way to marketed them and do IFR training but it's hard living out in the middle of nowhere. Hey Ross, do you do the evaluator stuff at GRCC? My friend Terry was offered that a while back but he's not around enough. He was FPL at SEA tower. Also wanted to ask you what kind of online class your teaching?
 

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Hey Ross, do you do the evaluator stuff at GRCC? My friend Terry was offered that a while back but he's not around enough. He was FPL at SEA tower. Also wanted to ask you what kind of online class your teaching?

Yep, out at GRC. I’m 99% sure I’ve heard Terry’s name and probably know him, just haven’t connected the face yet.

The class I’ve got right now is Advanced Instrument Procedures, one of the upper levels for BS candidates. I inherited a TERPS course from an ex flight check guy (who was also at ZSE) and tweaked it some. Goes over the design criteria of IPs and the final involves them designing one of their own.

It can be demanding but I really enjoy it. The program director is great to work with and has given me a lot of free reign. Between that and it being upper level (so the students feel a bit more invested and have a background to work with), it gives me a good amount of flexibility. I get to do what I wish my kids’ teachers could - adapt the course around their strengths and weaknesses, engage on a personal level, and stay in touch with some as they get their careers going.

I wonder if Big Bend would be an option form where you’re at. While I’m part of the four year program at GRC, it runs like a CC and that’s what most of their student body is working on. It’s a good entry point and they lean heavily on adjuncts (for better or worse). Glad to help if I can.
 
It depends on where you are in the world of pay. The reality for most guys in the 121 world is that just picking up an extra trip or two each month will bring in way more cheddar than you could get in most side hustles. That said, having a side gig for tax reasons can be a huge benefit. I spun up a photography print and sticker business over the last year for this reason.
Can you expand on how it can be such a big tax benefit? I understand business, and a limited amount of taxation and write offs. Just curious, as I would try this myself.
I thought real estate was the most realistic way as you could depreciate the house.
 
Can you expand on how it can be such a big tax benefit? I understand business, and a limited amount of taxation and write offs. Just curious, as I would try this myself.
I thought real estate was the most realistic way as you could depreciate the house.

I can deduct business expenses, which while not huge are certainly helpful. Mileage for my car when I go out to shoot (and my camera pretty much comes with me everywhere). A percentage of the house for my office space, although square footage wise it's pretty small. Camera gear. Computer hardware for editing. Software for editing (which reminds me I need to PDF the receipt for my yearly Dropbox storage renewal). If friends come through and have dinner I normally make sure I show them my latest work and discuss sticker design ideas which makes it a business dinner. Also, although my foot has been in a cast for the last 3 months and I haven't done much traveling, I'll be in NZ for a few weeks later this year and because I'll be shooting every day while I'm there any expenses I have (flights, hotels, car, meals etc) will be a write off.

We have a condo we rent out and while there are a large number of things we can deduct from that as well, I think the photography business will generate a bigger number at the end of the year. But we'll see. This is the first few months of it.
 
Many, many side gigs don’t make much, if anything, at all. In fact, even doing the rental property thing, unless you’re a big fish, is a net loser.

It’s all about “tax harvesting”. That’s the new game.
 
I can deduct business expenses, which while not huge are certainly helpful. Mileage for my car when I go out to shoot (and my camera pretty much comes with me everywhere). A percentage of the house for my office space, although square footage wise it's pretty small. Camera gear. Computer hardware for editing. Software for editing (which reminds me I need to PDF the receipt for my yearly Dropbox storage renewal). If friends come through and have dinner I normally make sure I show them my latest work and discuss sticker design ideas which makes it a business dinner. Also, although my foot has been in a cast for the last 3 months and I haven't done much traveling, I'll be in NZ for a few weeks later this year and because I'll be shooting every day while I'm there any expenses I have (flights, hotels, car, meals etc) will be a write off.

We have a condo we rent out and while there are a large number of things we can deduct from that as well, I think the photography business will generate a bigger number at the end of the year. But we'll see. This is the first few months of it.
Don’t you have to show a profit after so many years?
 
Don’t you have to show a profit after so many years?

I'm not an accountant so take it for what it is worth, but generally you have to show profit in 3 of the last 5 years to utilize losses to reduce income, however you don't specifically have to show a profit to deduct business expenses.
 
I have an AATD and a BATD in a home office setting. Trying to figure out how to market it but hope to start doing some training next spring. Located in the middle of nowhere rural WA state so trying to figure out how to attract people is going to be the challenge. But could have some fun with part time CFII stuff. No medical needed. What do you do in the sim world?
Is this Moscow Pullman?
 
Can you expand on how it can be such a big tax benefit? I understand business, and a limited amount of taxation and write offs. Just curious, as I would try this myself.
I thought real estate was the most realistic way as you could depreciate the house.
It’s not really a tax benefit, as a business owner you’re responsible for keeping track of expenses so that you can correctly report your income to the IRS.

If you make enough money, you can set up your own retirement plan, a solo 401k for your side gig. It will be a separate contribution limit from your airline’s 401k contribution limit.

You would be able to make contributions to your solo 401k as the employee (yourself) and as the employer (yourself). The employee limit is the same as your airline pilot contribution $23000 + 7500 catch up if over 50 or net earning from all your side gigs whichever is less. The employer contribution limit is 20% not to exceed $69000 limit if your schedule C business is a sole proprietorship or partnership. If the schedule C business is chartered as a corporation then the employer contribution limit is 25% not to exceed the $69000 limit.

In order to deduct expenses your side gig needs to have a profit motive otherwise the IRS will deem it as a “hobby” and your expenses will be disallowed. However the IRS will still come after your profits for your “hobby.”.

One of the criteria is generating a profit 3 of the previous 5 years. If you’re continually generating losses, then that’s when it triggers a red flag, and the IRS takes notice and decide to take action.

My side gig is an IRS enrolled agent. Anyone can take 3 tests and get a designation as an Enrolled Agent from the IRS. Then it’s a matter of applying for a PTIN, EFIN and now you have the privilege of representing clients in tax court, preparing individual and business tax returns, etc…. Although the tests are multiple guess, I made the mistake of thinking they were like pilot tests, i.e. memorize the answers from the question bank and regurgitate them back on the multiple guess computerized test…. These are no sh*t real tests that you have to understand and know the material in order to answer it correctly and you can’t deduce the correct answer by comparing all of the answer choices. After I failed my first test, I realized the tests were a real thing and passed it on the second try a few months later and passed the remaining two tests after several more months of study. You have 2 years to pass all 3 tests.

Everything BobDuck has posted are valid business expenses that can be used to offset income generated from his business. That’s all reported on Schedule C. The only thing that would raise questions from me is the bringing friends over for dinner and calling it “business dinner.” But me as an Enrolled Agent, I am not the judge and jury. It’s all about having all your paperwork in order in the event the IRS Revenue Agent comes knocking and being able to defend your expenses, claims, and your position.

Pilots I have flown with have come up with some harebrained schemes, setting up LLCs, hiring their kids, creating IRAs for their kids, all in the name of trying to pay less taxes from their airline pilot income. I point out issues with their schemes, but I am not the IRS, I am not going to report them. if they came to me as a client, my job is to point out what they can claim and not claim. And the penalties for claiming an indefensible position with the IRS. if they decide to persist with their indefensible position, then I decline to work with them and they can find themselves another tax professional.

being able to set up your own retirement plan is the one of the tax benefits of having a side gig in my opinion. If you have a large traditional IRA balance that prevents you from doing the backdoor Roth tax free, then moving that traditional balance into your airline’s 401k or your side gig solo 401k allows you do the tax free backdoor Roth conversion.

A rental property is separate from a side gig, and it’s considered passive income, you can deduct the expenses from income you generate from the rental property, but you can’t offset w-2 income with Schedule E losses.
 
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Can I be in the support group? I've really got into sims. Have a One G foundation AATD and a Redbird TD2 BATD. Wanted to figure out a way to marketed them and do IFR training but it's hard living out in the middle of nowhere. Hey Ross, do you do the evaluator stuff at GRCC? My friend Terry was offered that a while back but he's not around enough. He was FPL at SEA tower. Also wanted to ask you what kind of online class your teaching?

I've thought about this and particularly the Redbird sims. Dallas is pretty YUGE with lots of pilots - and even before the pandemic the strip malls were largely hurting for tenants. I thought it would be cool to lease space in a strip mall (cheap) in areas populated by pilots (rather than make them drive to an airport). You could offer Intrument training, refreshers, and maybe even some intro "Pinch Hitter" courses (for wives/husbands, girlfriends, both...) and it would be a way to economically offer some of this (no fuel, etc).. As for living in the middle of nowhere - depending on how much room the device(s) would take up, you could potentially outfit an RV, or a Sprinter, and drive to areas that had people, do the training, and then head to the next town. A nomadic existence like Kwai Chang Caine, but instead of going town to town fighting injustice and kicking ass you would go town to town fighting injustice, kicking ass, and giving quality instrument and pinch hitter flight instruction. Just don't end up like David Carradine did - the Redbird people would hate that.
 
A BATD can be used for currency now without a CFII present so if you could set it up for independent access somehow people could rent the sim to stay current. I thought about the mobile sim thing. There is a company called PIC that brings IFR training to you with a sim. They are pretty expensive and cater to the higher end folks. My AATD is a large unit that includes a seat. Too wide for an RV door unless you had a toy hauler one. It's a thought, though. I forgot how David Carradine ended up? It's funny most people on here aren't old enough to have any idea what you're talking about.....haha. "When you can walk on the rice paper....it's time for you to leave"
 
Pilots I have flown with have come up with some harebrained schemes, setting up LLCs, hiring their kids, creating IRAs for their kids, all in the name of trying to pay less taxes from their airline pilot income.

Haha so true. I know an old guy, kinda late to the airlines, but a small business owner for many years before while he was in the navy reserves. I think he might have had an LLC for his door knob. It's like another full time side hustle, trying to avoid taxes. I get it, I am just too lazy. In the least surprising news you might read all week, he "retired" from WA state to MT. Great American, and he has been this financial dog whisperer to a lot of our guys, so hopefully he is right
 
I retired to "close enough to Idaho I can walk but still in WA". I just can't escape the no state income tax thing. And do love the northwest. As to the IRS aspect. I was high income for a long time but kept my taxes simple and didn't play games like many airline pilots. Never got audited. Certain peace of mind to that. Plus I'm too lazy as well.
 
I've thought about this and particularly the Redbird sims. Dallas is pretty YUGE with lots of pilots - and even before the pandemic the strip malls were largely hurting for tenants. I thought it would be cool to lease space in a strip mall (cheap) in areas populated by pilots (rather than make them drive to an airport). You could offer Intrument training, refreshers, and maybe even some intro "Pinch Hitter" courses (for wives/husbands, girlfriends, both...) and it would be a way to economically offer some of this (no fuel, etc)..

Funny you mention this.

Back in 2018-2019 timeframe, another JCer and I were looking at basically doing this right in DC because it was such a hassle to get out to any of the GA fields.

We couldn’t make the numbers work, really, because the real estate/location requirements were so costly. And a Redbird ain’t cheap.

Neat idea though.
 
I retired to "close enough to Idaho I can walk but still in WA". I just can't escape the no state income tax thing. And do love the northwest. As to the IRS aspect. I was high income for a long time but kept my taxes simple and didn't play games like many airline pilots. Never got audited. Certain peace of mind to that. Plus I'm too lazy as well.

I like your point of view. I've seen some folks really try to work the corners, then act all surprised "the man is out to get them" when they get audited. Keep it simple & pay the $500 to the accountant every year so you can direct inquiries to them.

I was around when they decided to make examples of a few people in 2002. You don't want to be used as an example for someone scoring points when they're climbing the political ladder.

That all being said, the alternative minimum tax (AMT), as it was structured, absolutely sucked. I went through about 2 iterations of getting my legitimate expenses together (per diem differential, dry cleaning, etc., which the AMT ignored) when my accountant finally said "Man, you are wasting your time. You are going to get nailed by the AMT until they change it, index it or repeal it, so make life easy on yourself. Just give me your mortgage statement, your W-2s, and any 1099s, and you are just going to have to embrace the suck."

I know this won't be popular, but the DT tax cuts saved me quite a bit of money by getting rid of the AMT. I know, I'm a horrible person because of that. HOWEVER, and this is important for our new listeners, when that tax cut expires, the AMT goes back into effect, AND understand that it was never indexed for inflation. If and when that sucker snaps back (assuming it will be "as was"), a LOT of people are going to get caught up in it...a lot more than when it went away.
 
I know this won't be popular, but the DT tax cuts saved me quite a bit of money by getting rid of the AMT. I know, I'm a horrible person because of that. HOWEVER, and this is important for our new listeners, when that tax cut expires, the AMT goes back into effect, AND understand that it was never indexed for inflation. If and when that sucker snaps back (assuming it will be "as was"), a LOT of people are going to get caught up in it...a lot more than when it went away.

That's interesting because for me, the loss of itemized work related deductions pushed my taxable income above the ATM line. I'd guess there is an earnings curve that made it dependent on where you were at on which one got you.
 
I can deduct business expenses, which while not huge are certainly helpful. Mileage for my car when I go out to shoot (and my camera pretty much comes with me everywhere). A percentage of the house for my office space, although square footage wise it's pretty small. Camera gear. Computer hardware for editing. Software for editing (which reminds me I need to PDF the receipt for my yearly Dropbox storage renewal). If friends come through and have dinner I normally make sure I show them my latest work and discuss sticker design ideas which makes it a business dinner. Also, although my foot has been in a cast for the last 3 months and I haven't done much traveling, I'll be in NZ for a few weeks later this year and because I'll be shooting every day while I'm there any expenses I have (flights, hotels, car, meals etc) will be a write off.

We have a condo we rent out and while there are a large number of things we can deduct from that as well, I think the photography business will generate a bigger number at the end of the year. But we'll see. This is the first few months of it.

Business dinner in March ? Skipping Kona this year and will be on Oahu for 10 days.
 
I like your point of view. I've seen some folks really try to work the corners, then act all surprised "the man is out to get them" when they get audited. Keep it simple & pay the $500 to the accountant every year so you can direct inquiries to them.

I was around when they decided to make examples of a few people in 2002. You don't want to be used as an example for someone scoring points when they're climbing the political ladder.

That all being said, the alternative minimum tax (AMT), as it was structured, absolutely sucked. I went through about 2 iterations of getting my legitimate expenses together (per diem differential, dry cleaning, etc., which the AMT ignored) when my accountant finally said "Man, you are wasting your time. You are going to get nailed by the AMT until they change it, index it or repeal it, so make life easy on yourself. Just give me your mortgage statement, your W-2s, and any 1099s, and you are just going to have to embrace the suck."

I know this won't be popular, but the DT tax cuts saved me quite a bit of money by getting rid of the AMT. I know, I'm a horrible person because of that. HOWEVER, and this is important for our new listeners, when that tax cut expires, the AMT goes back into effect, AND understand that it was never indexed for inflation. If and when that sucker snaps back (assuming it will be "as was"), a LOT of people are going to get caught up in it...a lot more than when it went away.

Yeah, we have paid an accountant every year for a long time now, even when we really didn't need to. She is great, and I guess somehow we are grandfathered into her 2015 rate. After the last few years, I should probably offer to double it (which still wouldn't be $500).
 
There are some really fantastic tax strategies that wealthy people can employ. But unless you're a centimillionaire or better, with tax returns that make a bankers box heavy, or take more than one box (I've seen this with a former client), they are not for you. Small time, nickel and dime tax avoidance schemes may not get you busted by the IRS but that is a matter of luck for the most part. Well designed and implemented schemes, at least when I was employing them for clients, took a minimum of $75k+ just in legal, accounting, and other fees just to be set up properly. Again, this is for the most part. But, if they were ever challenged these people had opinion letters from (insert Big 4 accounting firm) regarding tax issues and legality, plus professionally drafted legal documentation from (insert white shoe law firm). Worst case scenario, the clients had "reasonable belief" in pursuing the strategy - "reasonable belief" that the strategy was legal and executed in such a way as to be legal. It is kind of like investing - most people are good with ETF index type funds. The really great investments - the big money is already there, and because of accredited investor rules they go to the higher economic demographic. Now, many qualify as accredited investors as airline pilots - but most are not serious or knowledgeable enough with investments to make fantastic choices.
 
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