But I want to fly on SOUTHWEST!!!! And give myself a 20 minute connection to go outside of security, claim my bags, re-check them with Southwest, go through security, then still make my flight! Then I'll call 9K and blame them when I don't make it! Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
Should Airline subsidies end?
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But I want to fly on SOUTHWEST!!!! And give myself a 20 minute connection to go outside of security, claim my bags, re-check them with Southwest, go through security, then still make my flight! Then I'll call 9K and blame them when I don't make it! Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
Itchy
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It should ABSOLUTELY be killed. Sorry to my Brothers and Sisters flying these routes, but if you live in the sticks, play by stick rules. When I see so many places within a hour or two drive to a "decent" airport, it irks the snot out of me. ART to ALB? SYR is an hour down the road. How long do you wait around to board? Stupid waste of money, cuts HAVE to be made somewhere, ones that will no doubt be more painful than that. Start the ball rolling.
wheelsup
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But to compare apples to apples, you have to ask, would those people coming from Paris be coming to PIT regardless if there was a direct flight? Would they have chosen instead a destination outside the US if not, or inside the US? If inside the US, the benefit to the country is still there, without needing subsidies. So using federal dollars (or was it local dollars?) to subsidize wouldn't make sense. If local money then my guess is it's not part of the EAS, and that is a state tax payer issue not federal.
z987k
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Well, let's start with the public schools then. I don't have children, but an inordinate amount of my tax dollars are spent subsidizing those that cranked out babies.
Fair? Good? Forward-thinking? Discuss!
I've never driven on I-95 in my life, have no intent to be out that way in the near future... so I think we should stop giving money to those states for their roads. I don't use any of them. If they want roads, they should live near me.... where
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Roger, Roger
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Pretty poor ROI on that investment too, looking at the quality of education they're apparently getting.Well, let's start with the public schools then. I don't have children, but an inordinate amount of my tax dollars are spent subsidizing those that cranked out babies.
Fair? Good? Forward-thinking? Discuss!
SpiraMirabilis
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In almost every case it is more fuel efficient to take a small turboprop (unless you're the only person on it) than to drive the same distance by yourself in a car. The conservation of finite resources is important, which brings to the point that there is definitely room for EAS reform. These towns like having 3 flights a day because it is convienant, but is it warranted? In most cases it would make sense to drop down to 1 (maybe 2) a day, but that might hurt the egos of the town involved.
It is misleading to say it takes less time to drive 2.5 hours because you have to figure in time getting through security in the small town because 1) it only takes minutes to clear security at these places and 2) you will still have to clear security at DFW/etc when you drive there which will take considerably more time.
It is misleading to say it takes less time to drive 2.5 hours because you have to figure in time getting through security in the small town because 1) it only takes minutes to clear security at these places and 2) you will still have to clear security at DFW/etc when you drive there which will take considerably more time.
SpiraMirabilis
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Kind of like saying this food we're eating isn't very nutritious so let's eat nothing at all. How about spending more on education, not less?
tprops4me
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I can hear that one now. Dude, can you give me a ride to the airport? Uh... No. In order to catch your 6:00 am flight you will have to drive there the night before, stay in a hotel for the night, and then pay to park your car for the week you are gone. Gas will be about $140 round trip. The hotel $100. Parking $90. The flight cost you $500. It may not be laziness so much as it is economics. If I am driving 400 miles it has already become a road trip.
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Roger, Roger
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I don't know if you and I have been down this road or not, but that's not at all what I'm saying.
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Roger, Roger
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Oh hell yes. Pretty sure this place would resemble Nigeria with very cold weather were it not for subsidies propping up, well, pretty much every element of society. Don't know if that matters much to the lower 48ers, but it would certainly raise prices on things like fish, crab, gold, and cheesy trinkets bought on cruise ship stops.Isn't Alaska subsidy central?
That's my point though.
The American standard of living costs money.
The complete "free market" with a small government and hardly any taxes already exists in parts of Africa and it's not pretty because you devolve into a society with warlords fighting over resources, mega wealth and mega poverty but the Ayn Rands and Grover Norquists pressing for dogmatic economic principles left that part out.
I don't get a tax break for having children, pay lots of property taxes to support the schools and Scottsdale has never seen a school budget override that it didn't overwhelmingly approve.
But, I do realize that for every child that isn't educated will be a missed opportunity to achieve American greatness. One less engineer, scientist, scholar, doctor to take care of my sick ass.
I just paid 8.64% tax on a sandwich here in NYC. That blows. BUT NYC has a massive infrastructure that needs to be continuously maintained, roads built and repaired, rail to maintain, high-density population that needs fire and police protection and some sort of social "safety net" of sorts so people can not have to live behind concertina-wired 10-foot walls.
Granted, a lot of tax dollars are wasted everywhere, but that's human nature. Expecting a 100% efficient system without anomalies like waste is as realistic as expecting that I'm going to fly from JFK to SVO, be 100% alert at all times scanning between flight instruments and engine indications, have perfect radio calls and not bust out with Angry Birds.
The American standard of living costs money.
The complete "free market" with a small government and hardly any taxes already exists in parts of Africa and it's not pretty because you devolve into a society with warlords fighting over resources, mega wealth and mega poverty but the Ayn Rands and Grover Norquists pressing for dogmatic economic principles left that part out.
I don't get a tax break for having children, pay lots of property taxes to support the schools and Scottsdale has never seen a school budget override that it didn't overwhelmingly approve.
But, I do realize that for every child that isn't educated will be a missed opportunity to achieve American greatness. One less engineer, scientist, scholar, doctor to take care of my sick ass.
I just paid 8.64% tax on a sandwich here in NYC. That blows. BUT NYC has a massive infrastructure that needs to be continuously maintained, roads built and repaired, rail to maintain, high-density population that needs fire and police protection and some sort of social "safety net" of sorts so people can not have to live behind concertina-wired 10-foot walls.
Granted, a lot of tax dollars are wasted everywhere, but that's human nature. Expecting a 100% efficient system without anomalies like waste is as realistic as expecting that I'm going to fly from JFK to SVO, be 100% alert at all times scanning between flight instruments and engine indications, have perfect radio calls and not bust out with Angry Birds.