Shots Fired @ FLL

melax said:
So if you're pre-cleared you can then walk around US Airports in the sterile areas with loaded weapons (s) ?
I'm missing something here. One can argue that he could have performed his carnage outside the sterile area, but at least not being able to take over a full airplane. it's got to be more to the story.
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I think you're missing that baggage claim is outside the sterile area. It's outside security.
 
The Star Tribune is looking for people that flew on DL 2182 MSP-FLL today. Looks like they're trying to confirm that part of the story.
 
B767 said:
I think you're missing that baggage claim is outside the sterile area. It's outside security.
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It make sense now, I forgot about the fact that you can clear US customs in Canada. I was under the impression that the shooting occurred before customs in the sterile area.
 
NovemberEcho said:
They're saying the gun was in his checked bag and he went to the bathroom to load it.
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And I'm having trouble with that report. How does a U.S. citizen flying in from Canada have a weapon in checked luggage? I thought you could only do that flying inside the U.S.
 
melax said:
So if you're pre-cleared you can then walk around US Airports in the sterile areas with loaded weapons (s) ?
I'm missing something here. One can argue that he could have performed his carnage outside the sterile area, but at least not being able to take over a full airplane. it's got to be more to the story.
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The way I understand, he checked his gun in his luggage, legal, it goes under the airplane and you don't have it in the sterile area. Then when his bag was given back to him, at the baggage claim, he pulled it out(ammo IIRC has to be stored separate to the gun), loaded it, and killed people. All while following the proper gun transport guidelines. I'm not sure about FROM Canada, but as a ramper/gate agent, I saw checked guns going TO YVR/YYC/YEG/YYJ all the time.

It has happened before in PLO attacks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rome_airport_attacks_and_hijacking

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre

Murdoughnut said:
As I've said before, I believe mental health is sometimes a scapegoat. If it were mental health, this type of thing would be commonplace everywhere, as biologically originating mental health issues should distribute homogeneously across populations. For the same reason eating disorders are nearly exclusively an American issue, it's more a function of social constructs than mental health.

The Buddha taught that desire creates unhappiness. We're a culture that wants, wants, wants, because since we were young we were told we could have, have, have. Why have political scientists found that anti-immigrant rhetoric rises as economies fall? Because the more we don't get what we want, the more angry we get, and the more we look for someone to take that anger out on. Kids that shoot school bullies often feel deprived of the social status that others around them have. Timothy McVeigh was unhappy in life and chose to attribute his situation to the government. That guy who went into a gym and shot all of those women took classes on how to pick up women and still failed, and took it out on them. And by some accounts, the Orlando shooter targeted Puerto Riccan men because they had dismissed his advances so many times.

Unfulfilled wants -> anger -> violence. This is in sharp contrast to the Sandy Hook kid who suffered from a diagnosed mental illness, or William Hinkley, or others who had actual diseases you could point to.
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Agreed, but I would say it is often a combo of mental health issues being the tipping point but only mixed with many other factors unique to the shooter. It is like a plane crash, there is usually an accident change, not an instant factor that leads to an accident 100% of the time.
 
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ChasenSFO said:
I'm not sure about FROM Canada, but as a ramper/gate agent, I saw checked guns going TO YVR/YYC/YEG/YYJ all the time.
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Yeah, but aren't those all hunting rifles? Handguns are a different breed altogether, and one photo of the weapon seems to show it was a first generation Walther PPS, which doesn't meet Canada's minimum barrel length restriction for handguns.
 
RDoug said:
Yeah, but aren't those all hunting rifles? Handguns are a different breed altogether, and one photo of the weapon seems to show it was a first generation Walther PPS, which doesn't meet Canada's minimum barrel length restriction for handguns.
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I remember seeing guns going to Canada that were not long enough to be rifles, but all I saw were the cases, so I couldn't tell you for sure what was in them.
 
They said he left PANC,which would be a domestic flight not Canadian


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FLL is closed and expected to reopen sometime tomorrow. My husband left FLL shorty before it happened and is spending the night in Central America since the return was cancelled.

It's so very sad. They said on the news that he had visited a VA office recently and said some very disturbing things.
 
I got into FLL around 10:30 or so, walked through terminal three, then to the arrival area between T2 and T3 (which is the uber pick up area.), and was picked up around 11:20. We arrived about 15 minutes early at the gate. Had the flight arrived on time, this would have put me eerily close to this event!
 
Aaaaaand now the news reports are out saying he went into a FBI office in November and said the govt was forcing him to watch ISIS videos....


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Say goodbye to guns or ammo in checked baggage. Or calls to make baggage claim as part of the secure area.

Many will say that as reportedly a CCW holder, he should've been the "good guy with the gun".

Senseless tragedy all around.
 
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