Shots Fired @ FLL

Screaming_Emu said:
Having thoughts and praying (if that's your thing) is great. Posting it online is usually more a case of social media masturbation. Like the poor kid that was tortured in Chicago, this is one of those events where EVERYONE of sound mind is appalled. But let's be honest, 90% of the #thoughtsandprayers crowd will be back to their daily lives and reality tv in a couple hours. Until we really want to apply logic to these situations and have an honest conversation, this kind of stuff will continue to be every day life in America.
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Again, I am not a user of social media except for some forums. Have no facebook or twitter account or anything. But we have to recognize that millions do use social media as a way to communicate and reach a large "audience" or their friends and relatives or whatever. The motivations vary as do the people who use social media. While there have been some very positive uses of this form of media/communication, there have also been some negative and just asinine, inane uses as well. That's what you get with the general public. The good, the bad and everything in between.

I am not even a "religious" person (certainly not connected to any Western religion), as my thoughts/beliefs are more in touch with some Eastern religions and I do believe in meditation, positive thoughts, the soul, karma, that we are all interconnected and more.

That being said, there are people who do sincerely and honestly care, who are not attention who***, who believe in the passive power of thoughts, prayer, mediation, positive energy or whatever. They believe that can help and they sincerely want to help. I don't see this as something negative or to necessary mock if the person is sincere and truly are concerned, moved and wants to help in the only way they can think of to do at the moment.

I don't want to become so cynical that I start lumping everyone who posts something of that nature as how you have described them, without having a clue who anyone really is nor their motivations or what is in their heart.

Remember, those who are sending hopes, wishes, thoughts, prayers, or whatever out to others, aren't involved at the moment in trying to find any solutions for these terrible events, they just want to help in the interim the best that they can and are disturbed and moved. I actually view this as a positive sign. It speaks to me of hope and compassion. The day I don't see these thoughts/emotions being expressed, is the day I will seriously begin to worry and be upset.

Discussions need to happen, possible solutions need to be discussed and found, but in the moment, what happens, happens. People react how they react and I cannot fault them for it. They are upset and sympathetic. People are still trying to digest and wrap their heads around the event. You might as well compare what we are saying right now. It won't change anything either.
 
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Crop Duster said:
Wow! Surprised to hear that coming from you. Rough day??
BTW, RIP to those who perished.
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Not necessarily sequitur to the situation because we really don't know. But...

Nah, just I know a lot of people with lingering psychological issues that absolutely refuse to seek help or recognize that they actually have issues that need to be addressed. Too often that manifests itself into not only hurting themselves, but also hurting others.

Not mad, just self-proclaimed pragmatic.
 
Derg said:
Not necessarily sequitur to the situation because we really don't know. But...

Nah, just I know a lot of people with lingering psychological issues that absolutely refuse to seek help or recognize that they actually have issues that need to be addressed. Too often that manifests itself into not only hurting themselves, but also hurting others.

Not mad, just self-proclaimed pragmatic.
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Agreed.

"Why is there more of this stuff that happens today?" is a valid question, but belies the change in infrastructure that happened in Post-1970s US.

We watch movies that had the institutions, asylums and whatnot, and tsk tsked, but these types of institutions did capture (not in the bad sense of the word) a lot of people who had issues, some of which were ugly, violent, and not congruent with being an operative member of polite society.

In the 1970s and a couple of court cases, and some confluences later, people generally couldn't be forced to be restrained in any kind of institution, and even if they could be, the funding for most organized, serious mental health institutions was completely obliterated. Not coincidently, that's when you started to see an uptick in this kind of thing.

Did bad things happen at these types of places, no doubt. Were people who were just weird or non-conformists get caught up in them? Also no doubt because people can also be some judgmental aholes, especially in mobs, and that's magnified in small-sample settings like you'd find in rural spots. That said, we shouldn't have gone full swing on the pendulum on this.

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As I've said before, I believe mental health is sometimes a scapegoat. If it were mental health, this type of thing would be commonplace everywhere, as biologically originating mental health issues should distribute homogeneously across populations. For the same reason eating disorders are nearly exclusively an American issue, it's more a function of social constructs than mental health.

The Buddha taught that desire creates unhappiness. We're a culture that wants, wants, wants, because since we were young we were told we could have, have, have. Why have political scientists found that anti-immigrant rhetoric rises as economies fall? Because the more we don't get what we want, the more angry we get, and the more we look for someone to take that anger out on. Kids that shoot school bullies often feel deprived of the social status that others around them have. Timothy McVeigh was unhappy in life and chose to attribute his situation to the government. That guy who went into a gym and shot all of those women took classes on how to pick up women and still failed, and took it out on them. And by some accounts, the Orlando shooter targeted Puerto Riccan men because they had dismissed his advances so many times.

Unfulfilled wants -> anger -> violence. This is in sharp contrast to the Sandy Hook kid who suffered from a diagnosed mental illness, or William Hinkley, or others who had actual diseases you could point to.
 
Police reporting guns and ammo stash found in the terminal 2 parking garage


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News says, and I have no idea if they're just talking schmack, but he apparently arrived on Air Canada with a checked gun. Retrieved it in baggage claim, entered the bathroom to load it and began firing.

No clue about the veracity.
 
Speaking of Twitter earlier, I personally hate it, but we have to monitor it at work since that's the first line of communication in emergency/disaster scenarios now.
 
Derg said:
News says, and I have no idea if they're just talking schmack, but he apparently arrived on Air Canada with a checked gun. Retrieved it in baggage claim, entered the bathroom to load it and began firing.

No clue about the veracity.
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Pictures appear to show a small CCW type Glock that would be prohibited in Canada. There are Rouge flights from Montreal and Toronto that fit the timing.
 
Something doesn't make sense. If you are arriving from a foreign country, how can you retrieve your luggage in the Sterile area containing a weapon with ammo ?
If that's allowed (I think NOT !!) then it's a huge loophole. On the Other hand, the Canadians, if indeed he arrived from there have a lot of explaining to do for having allowed or missed the weapon and ammo in the checked luggage. In either case, we must put in place screening systems to avoid this situation.
 
melax said:
Something doesn't make sense. If you are arriving from a foreign country, how can you retrieve your luggage in the Sterile area containing a weapon with ammo ?
If that's allowed (I think NOT !!) then it's a huge loophole. On the Other hand, the Canadians, if indeed he arrived from there have a lot of explaining to do for having allowed or missed the weapon and ammo in the checked luggage. In either case, we must put in place screening systems to avoid this situation.
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He could have been precleared.
 
matthew said:
He could have been precleared.
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So if you're pre-cleared you can then walk around US Airports in the sterile areas with loaded weapons (s) ?
I'm missing something here. One can argue that he could have performed his carnage outside the sterile area, but at least not being able to take over a full airplane. it's got to be more to the story.
 
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