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Pachong said:
Exaggerated. I don't bitch about pay cuz first year FO was sure a hell of a lot better than my last year as a CFI. Oh, and I actually get benefits and days off. Something's going on in Santa Monica....shhhhh the airlines will hear you! GHEY.
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All true for me except the pay part. I made WAY more money ad a CFI then I did my first year at a regional.
 
trafficinsight said:
I know someone who was making 6 figures as a CFI before going to Skywest, you know that pay cut sucked. That said, now he actually has time off, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Moses says to God, "Do you want to play golf, or do you want to (bleep) around?"
 
desertdog71 said:
Misery is comfortable, happiness takes effort.
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It is true.

There's a lot of badness in this industry; people deserve an honest and frank disclosure thereof. But I still think that this is the best job I've had. Not the best paying. But the best for me, for my personality, and so on. Mostly because of:
Ajax said:
What is this "time off" you guys speak of?
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It's something airline pilots get. :)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
It is true.

There's a lot of badness in this industry; people deserve an honest and frank disclosure thereof. But I still think that this is the best job I've had. Not the best paying. But the best for me, for my personality, and so on. Mostly because of:

It's something airline pilots get. :)
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I'm a commuting reserve, it's foreign to me
 
Society teaches us not to be honest with each other and here we have somebody that feels bamboozled about the industry and that nobody was honest with him. My response is BOO effing HOO.

People have needs and place values on people that can deliver those needs. That is an undeniable fact of life. Now if you think you're not getting what you deserve, then change the person in the mirror and become a person worth more. This industry, life in general don't owe you a damn thing.

As Alec Baldwin says in Glengarry Glen Ross "If you wanna work here, CLOSE!"
 
Don't like the industry? Do something besides bitch to change it or GTFO. It's that simple.

It's always somebody else's fault. FFS you made a choice, live with it.
 
Attitude is a big factor, some folks can't ever get over the little things that bug them about this industry, or have a bad attitude in general. And yeah, there are little things that suck about it, but what you say is true. If you try it and hate it, you can always do something else, it's okay. Shoot if you stick with it even to that level I doubt even anyone can say you failed at it.

Doesn't mean you need to try to discourage everyone else from it though.
 
Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! What the heck’s the matter with you?! ...Stupid!... We're all very different people. We're not 135. We're not 121. We're Pilots, with a capital ‘P’, huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our mentors were kicked around at every decent flight program in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw Old Yeller? Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end? Nobody cried when Old Yeller got shot? I'm sure. I cried my eyes out… So we're all dogfaces. We're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to enlist in flight training. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us! We're aviators, but we're JC aviators! We've been kickin' ass since 1998! Now we don't have to worry about whether or not we were informed. We don't have to worry about whether management wants to have us hung. All we have to do is to be the great, professional, American pilot that is inside each one of us. Now do what I do, and say what I say. And make @Derg proud. Get in the cockpit!
 
What is sad is at the moment, a first year regional gig (with the exception of lakes maybe...) would be a pay raise for me. Pretty pathetic right?!
 
Money doesn't buy happiness. My buddy made $180k last year at WN in the right seat. He calls me 2 times a week solely to bitch about being stuck in hotels all day and having to fly BWI-LAS non stop. It's what you make of it. It could be a lot worse, trust me.
 
What a tick........why the H hasn't jetcareers started a powerball group? Setup a paypal account and everyone buy in. We could be rich and start our own airline and pay ourselves tons of money...............uuhhhhhh wait errr i mean
 
I think of it like this:

Send yourself back in time and look at the "Yellow Pages" under "plumbers". You'll see a few large full-page ads, presumably from companies doing very well and hundreds of one-liners with only a name and phone number like "A A Atlantic Aable Discount Plumbers (123) 555-1212" from small companies trying to scratch out some business.

Both owners were promised cash, prizes, swiftly pay off debts from apprenticeship and "you'll be able to write your own ticket and be self-employed!" leaving plumbing school, yadda yadda yadda. Clearly one is doing far better than the other.

One is out there making things happen, getting his name out there, shaking hands. The other is probably attached to the hull of a boat, like a mussel, waiting for opportunity to float by in the current…amongst thousands of mussels.

Aviation is no different.
 
Mark815 said:
Sounds like you were fed bad info, and bit on it. For that I say I'm sorry. I was given plenty of brochures when I was just starting out, and they all had pictures of gold epaulettes, big shiny jets, pilots with big smiles on their face, and the promise of money and a good time, but I didn't bite on those fake promises. I don't know what your situation is, but I know I made sure to prepare myself for the worst, while hoping and striving for the best. So far I've enjoyed my ride, but I've only been doing this for less than a decade professionally.

I had plenty of older, and some would say wiser, pilots tell me to quit because it's not worth it. Well, I can say one thing; I would never tell an aspiring pilot to give up and find something else to do. I know my dream as a kid was to be a pilot, and if flying is their dream, and they were anything like me, nothing is going to sway them to another career. Instead of telling them how sucky it is, I'm going to try and motivate them. Not with shiny brochures and fake promises, but with a little bit of reality.

It's a hard road, but hopefully on the day I retire I'll be able to look back and say it was worth it. If not, I'm sure it'll be an interesting ride either way.
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Trust me, with this attitude, you will be successful in this industry! Well said.
 
mrivc211 said:
What a tick........why the H hasn't jetcareers started a powerball group? Setup a paypal account and everyone buy in. We could be rich and start our own airline and pay ourselves tons of money...............uuhhhhhh wait errr i mean
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Something about 'starting with a large fortune' comes to mind... :)
 
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