Sex offender working as a CFI

Hacker15e said:
So what is your point, JJ8Flyer?

You asked in the OP why he should be essentially allowed to fly as an active CFI (although, the question you really asked was if he should be "in a position of power over young adults", which begs the question of if he actually is or not), and you got the answer that there's not a legal reason why not, so far as the law or the FAA is concerned.

It begs the question if he is ever actually in an airplane with youth to begin with (maybe if he was exclusively a Young Eagles pilot or something, I could see the issue), but that's actually largely beside the point here.

If you don't want your kids, or your friends kids (or anyone else's kids that you have some influence over their activities), to fly with him, then don't let them.

There are folks who do stuff that makes me angry, too, but I don't make it my business to either waste much emotion on it or go out of my way to smear their name. If you feel like you want to do the superior dance, and point the Finger Of Reproach at him, and never let him get past whatever it was that he did, then go for it...but that's completely separate from him making his living instructing flying. The law is the law, and if he's not breaking it or any other rules that regulate the job he is doing, then I just don't see the point.
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See my previous post.

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Again, I'm not sure what this dude is supposed to do that doesn't involve the possibility of coming in to contact (not that kind of contact) with minors. If he were running a CAP unit or a Boy Scout troop, I'd be right there with you flying the red flag. But you said yourself that he's an excellent instructor, and I'm hard pressed to think of anything he could be doing that has LESS potential contact with children, being that you can't get a license till you're at or near the age of majority. *shrug*. I'm as disgusted by what seem to be his predelictions as you are, but as PF points out, he might very well be as disgusted as we are, himself. At a certain point it becomes either lock em up and throw away the key, or try to help these people control their malfunction and be productive members of society. Our Law has pretty much invalidated the first option, so what's left?

Now, if you want to have a theoretical discussion about Pedophiles and the Law, that's another subject, and probably a very interesting one. But this dude has served his time, and as far as anyone seems to be aware, has not reoffended. As a citizen (in my view) I'm obligated to treat him in all public dealings just as I would anyone else.
 
JJ8Flyer said:
Whats left? Read my questions.

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I read your questions, and didn't think they were stupid questions. But what do you propose? Like, he's been released. No longer the State's obligation to take care of him, so, presumably, he has to work. What ought he do to eat?
 
mikecweb said:
Since we're hypothetically curb stomping guys here's one for you.
You make it to an airline and you are made aware that there is a released sex offender on your flight, do you fly him or do you refuse because they are scum.
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We talking a public urination sex offense, or "show me pictures of your 10 year old so I have something to masturbate to later?"
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
We talking a public urination sex offense, or "show me pictures of your 10 year old so I have something to masturbate to later?"
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In either case, they're a passenger who paid to be on the flight. If they're not causing a problem, my job is to move them expeditiously from one place to another. Liking the pax (or even being glad they're breathing) isn't in any job description I've ever read.

At my last job I flew around a bunch of Bankstas. Personally, I'd put these sociopathic swine right down there with pedophiles on the evolutionary scale (with the exception that pedophiles generally don't violate MILLIONS of people at a time). But my personal feelings about them didn't (and shouldn't have) entered in to the performance of my duties. Again, that's Civilization. You sometimes have to take a big bite of that poop sandwich so you get sewers, bridges, and protection from your neighbors taking a shine to your stuff and cutting your head off with a machete. I'll take the bite.
 
Boris Badenov said:
In either case, they're a passenger who paid to be on the flight. If they're not causing a problem, my job is to move them expeditiously from one place to another. Liking the pax (or even being glad they're breathing) isn't in any job description I've ever read.

At my last job I flew around a bunch of Bankstas. Personally, I'd put these sociopathic swine right down there with pedophiles on the evolutionary scale (with the exception that pedophiles generally don't violate MILLIONS of people at a time). But my personal feelings about them didn't (and shouldn't have) entered in to the performance of my duties. Again, that's Civilization. You sometimes have to take a big bite of that poop sandwich so you get sewers, bridges, and protection from your neighbors taking a shine to your stuff and cutting your head off with a machete. I'll take the bite.
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What? Your airline doesn't give you a full background check on all your pax? We get to choose our hate. I hope you don't discriminate against their sexual orientation.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
What? Your airline doesn't give you a full background check on all your pax? We get to choose our hate. I hope you don't discriminate against their sexual orientation.
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Did you just call me an Airline Pilot!? BITE YOUR TONGUE. ;)

Although, I believe I was either the uh IFSC or the GSC for all flights, depending upon which seat I was occupying. Why DIDN'T I get a dossier!? I WANT INTEL!
 
Boris Badenov said:
Did you just call me an Airline Pilot!? BITE YOUR TONGUE. ;)

Although, I believe I was either the uh IFSC or the GSC for all flights, depending upon which seat I was occupying. Why DIDN'T I get a dossier!? I WANT INTEL!
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I'm sorry I assumed your pilot orientation. My pilotdar is obviously malfunctioning tonight. :(
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
I'm sorry I assumed your pilot orientation. My pilotdar is obviously malfunctioning tonight. :(
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Maybe you just saw my Soul. But if I ever DO become an Airline Pilot, I'll probably have to quit JC out of shame and to avoid the years of ribbing I'll get.

Now, just between you, me, and the Internet, I'm hoping the above will have my PMs overflowing with offers to carry my app to various chief pilots. I play a deep, deep game!
 
Have not read the entire thread yet, but is the "he paid his debt to society" crowd saying the same thing about pilots with motor vehicle dui's? For some strange reason I think not
 
MikeOH58 said:
Have not read the entire thread yet, but is the "he paid his debt to society" crowd saying the same thing about pilots with motor vehicle dui's? For some strange reason I think not
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Well nobody is saying that these guys should become elementary school teachers afterwards.
 
MikeOH58 said:
Have not read the entire thread yet, but is the "he paid his debt to society" crowd saying the same thing about pilots with motor vehicle dui's? For some strange reason I think not
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To my knowledge, there's no Law which prevents a pilot with a DUI from being employed as a Space Shuttle Captain. They merely have to disclose the conviction. I think we're largely trains passing in the night on this one (as is so often the case on the internet). My personal feelings about this dude's crime (insofar as I know anything about it, which is pretty limited) are neither here nor there. As I understood the question, it was something like "isn't it outrageous and awful that this guy is a CFI!?". My sense of it is that he's doing something he's good at and he'd probably be just as potentially dangerous (if not moreso) if he were flipping burgers or taking out trash.

I mean, I hear a lot of Outrage (that most American of things), but I've yet to hear anyone suggest a workable alternative (unless you count vigilantee assault/murder).
 
I really don't fee like joining a lynch mob with pitch forks and samurai swords.

Are there any other hypothetical questions we can answer?
 
A workable alternative could be flying cargo? Not the 1 out of 100 student that is a teen?

No?

I am just saying I believe instructors, people who will guide our replacements, should be held to a higher standard, as the atp is. Be of good moral character. A teacher shouldnt be a felon, right?

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Depends on the felony!

I'd do a course in business with Michael Milken in a heartbeat.

Basketweaving with Martha Stewart? Yes, please! :)
 
*shrug*. I guess maybe I just feel like there are a lot of other more pressing, potentially dangerous things out there which might impact my life (or that of the Republic) in some meaningful way. The focus in the US upon sexuality, criminality, and most of all "criminal sexuality" is utterly bizzare. Seriously, ask a foreigner. They'll know exactly what I mean. We do a great job of living up to the world's stereotype of the sex-obsessed adolescent Murican.
 
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