Seriously people, it isn't that hard

jtrain609 said:
Yup, this is exactly how it happens. You're cut loose on the POLAR while following traffic (that you, for some reason, called in sight), when it's the wrong traffic (Connie takes 747's into YIP), and the orientation looks close enough.

Hell I can see how someone could mistake Hawthorne for LAX while flying into the sun. Or #2 for SLC. Or taxiway Zulu for 29R in EWR.

There are threats everywhere, and I start to get concerned when someone's first response isn't "dude, I could have done the exact same thing."

We need to start teaching better CRM at the regionals.
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Maybe the guys that don't say "I could have done the same thing" don't call traffic in sight in poor visibility conditions. In poor visibility if you aren't sure you're seeing the right thing and don't call anything...
they eventually dump you on to the ILS.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Maybe the guys that don't say "I could have done the same thing" don't call traffic in sight in poor visibility conditions. In poor visibility if you aren't sure you're seeing the right thing and don't call anything...
they eventually dump you on to the ILS.
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Or you're at LAX and approach re-sequences you if you don't call the traffic.
 
jtrain609 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_1883

And while I'm at it.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...rror-chain-preceded-delta-767-taxiway-336663/

Oh and then there's this.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ands-taxiway-instead-runway-seattle/78056520/

It's not hard to do.
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The SEA taxiway T incidents were part of a module we looked at in accident investigation at USC. The former NTSB NW division chief spent years working on that, even had some great photos from the taxiway of a SWA 737 making the left turn on short final to get back to 16R.

It was really fascinating stuff regarding who wanted changes and who opposed them and why.
 
jtrain609 said:
So, check this out.

Imagine the zombie apocolypse happens and they eat through the ILS system and the GPS satellites (somehow, zombies got into space), so you're left with shooting the VOR-A into LAX landing west (I don't even know if this exists, work with me).

You break out and see the runway. It looks a little short and maybe you're a tiny bit high, but you figure that you haven't been to LAX in a while and maybe one of the zombies bit you, so you could be hallucinating.

So you say what the hell. Chop. Drop. Shut 'em down, open up shop, and make that runway.

Only it's Hawthorne.

You had course guidance, you even knew it was there. It's an honest mistake; but is it your fault or the fault of a poorly designed approach with threats everywhere?
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You know back in May 1986, a UA812, a 747 from HNL-LAX, nearly landed at HHR, while on final for the 25s at LAX? Got down to about 800 or so AGL before realizing it, executing a go-around, and landing at LAX correctly.

WHP has been mistaken by airliners for BUR more than once too. A CAL MD-80 almost landed there in Jan 1987.
 
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