Seriously people, it isn't that hard

Derg said:
What happens a lot at some airports is they'll give you direct to the marker, clear you for the visual if you see it and wash their hands of any separation requirements, only to find yourself 3 miles behind much slower traffic
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Whats the deal with MCI though?

Every time I've been there, they leave you high and wait until you're passing through the LOC at the marker to clear you for the ILS. Normally I agree, let ATC do their job and vector you all the way, but there I've started to call the airport in site just to free myself of their setup to fail.
 
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There have been a number of these stupid stunts over the past few years. I am mind-boggled that these keep happening; Tampa, Branson, Jabara (a Dreamlifter no less) and now this one.

This one and Jabara are beyond belief based on the size of the airport, location of buildings, and the length of the runway between their goal and their landing spot. Amazing level of incompetence!!

That having been stated, we really don't know what was going on in the cockpit, there might have been an argument the entire way down.

In a "no sh.. I was there story", I was flying to Battle Creek with a VERY senior corporate Captain. As we approached the area from the west, on a assigned heading and holding a 3,000' assigned altitude, the Captain says "Airport in sight" and starts a sharp turn and descent. I tell him no less than three times that we are to hold the heading and 3,000' but he keeps on his little venture. We argue a bit about last assigned vs what he sees but in a minute we're fully configured and on a 3 mile finale. Then he yells, "The airport is right there, tell approach we need to switch to tower now!". I started to respond, but the Captain keys up and yells at approach that he was kept up too long. He says, "You need to give me an immediate switch to tower".

VERY calmly and VERY thick with sarcasm, the controller says, "YOU need to IMMEDIATELY climb BACK up to 3,000' and IMMEDIATELY turn BACK to your last assigned heading and clear Kalamazoo airspace. IMMEDIATELY"

Annnnnnd away we went..........

A few moments of out loud cussing and yelling by the Captain about "How this has never happened to me before" and "How could you just sit there and not say anything, blah, blah, blah...." But He went from mad to pissed when I laughed........he bitched at me the whole flight back home. So I guess it COULD have happened to me...........not to my certificate, but to me.
 
Derg said:
"Report airport in sight" just means that "I'm tired of controlling you, take over responsibility for separation, wake turbulence avoidance and vectoring, AMMA hafta scratch my nether regions and I gotta step back from the scope for a second"
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Enh, not even close to true, but whatevs
 
I'll just take a seat in the back here and observe that the FOI handbook our blessed gummint prints for our benefit is a veritable cornucopia of knowledge, gleaned over a hundred plus years of studying people operating aviation appliances. I'd maybe just further observe that the section on "hazardous attitudes" is a particularly rollicking and good read. I mean, uh, a propos to nothing, obviously. Carry on!
 
Boris Badenov said:
I'll just take a seat in the back here and observe that the FOI handbook our blessed gummint prints for our benefit is a veritable cornucopia of knowledge, gleaned over a hundred plus years of studying people operating aviation appliances. I'd maybe just further observe that the section on "hazardous attitudes" is a particularly rollicking and good read. I mean, uh, a propos to nothing, obviously. Carry on!
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Yes, all those people wringing their hands and suggesting that it's going to happen to everyone should pay attention to the section on resignation.
 
Nothing is as bad as SLC. "Airport or traffic in sight?"

"Airport and traffic in sight."

SLC "cleared for the visual 34L"

"Clear for the visual 34L"

SLC "Descend 8,000'"
SLC "Turn left heading 090"
SLC "Slow to 200"
SLC "Turn left 010"
SLC "Slow to 170"

Ok. We reported the airport and traffic in sight. You cleared us for the visual. You want US to fly it, or do YOU want to guide us on in?

Then you switch to tower and get:

TOWER "Slow to final approach speed. 47 miles in trail of a 737. Cleared to land."


Then of course upon landing, just as the reversers are deploying...

TOWER "Exit right first high speed. Taxi Bravo spot 21 or 23, give way to the 757 from the left, Airbus from the right, contact ramp."
 
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B767 said:
Nothing is as bad as SLC. "Airport or traffic in sight?"

"Airport and traffic in sight."

SLC "cleared for the visual 34L"

"Clear for the visual 34L"

SLC "Descend 8,000'"
SLC "Turn left heading 090"
SLC "Slow to 200"
SLC "Turn left 010"
SLC "Slow to 170"
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...SLC "Change runway 34R

"uhhh negative, we'll stay on 34L"

SLC: "Change to runway 35, cleared to land 35"
 
Adler said:
...SLC "Change runway 34R

"uhhh negative, we'll stay on 34L"

SLC: "Change to runway 35, cleared to land 35"
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Is there a reason they do so many runway changes there? Seems like every other week I'm reading about the "SLC salsa" jumping back and forth
 
The term "low hanging fruit" may apply here too, no?

I was XXXX to XXXX once, talking to the tower at XXXX even, and reported on a certain leg of the traffic pattern even. I managed to notice that the NDB course was WAY off right away and corrections were made. Had I been fatigued or otherwise in anyway incapacitated, yep, would have landed somewhere that would have required the airplane disassembled and shipped off.

I can definitely see how this kind of thing can still happen.

ICT, ELP, and OMA are 3 places in particular, hell even SJU, that I can think of where this can easily happen with negative external factors involved.
 
SLC sounds hideous, anyone ever call the facility and ask what the hell's going on?

If they're serious about their jobs you'd be suprised how quick remedial training and/or facility training would happen.

At least that's what would've happened at A80/ATL.
 
jtrain609 said:
You're right, it's not very hard. In fact, it's really easy.

But you might be next.
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Meh. I'd argue against that. It's really hard, in fact impossible, to land at the wrong airport following company and FAR requirements.

It becomes easy to do when one becomes complacent. And yes, it can be really easy to become complacent. Is that what you're referring to? The complacency?
 
bimmerphile said:
Is there a reason they do so many runway changes there? Seems like every other week I'm reading about the "SLC salsa" jumping back and forth
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I've only ever spent about a week and a half there. Couldn't tell you, but thankfully, they seemed to usually keep the turbo-trash on the east side and would maybe only switch us to the short runway more than 5 miles out. I feel bad for anyone dealing with worse. I also hate that you have to use a million frequencies on the ground to move 1000 feet. Cargo to the GA ramps at least.
 
B767 said:
Meh. I'd argue against that. It's really hard, in fact impossible, to land at the wrong airport following company and FAR requirements.

It becomes easy to do when one becomes complacent. And yes, it can be really easy to become complacent. Is that what you're referring to? The complacency?
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Fatigue is a bish... :)
 
A80TRACON said:
SLC sounds hideous, anyone ever call the facility and ask what the hell's going on?

If they're serious about their jobs you'd be suprised how quick remedial training and/or facility training would happen.

At least that's what would've happened at A80/ATL.
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From my VERY limited understanding, very few people that get into ATC want to live/work in SLC. Thus they get a lot of trainees. It used to be rumored that it was a training facility, but talking to a controller on the jump, he told me it was because people transfer out ASAP and the ones from OKC get SLC.

You would obviously be able to call BS on that...
 
I have had zero problems with SLC and I go there a lot. Always get 17 or 35.

On topic, it can happen to anyone who doesn't take measures to prevent it. I got a visual into Spokane and had started lining up on the AFB. Realized it because things weren't lining up with the visual we had set up in the FMS and luckily caught it in time to correct and land on the right piece of pavement. Take as many steps as you can to prevent yourself from goofing up.
 
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