Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule included

Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Well i wasn't trying to put under the impression that 141 training schools are only in colleges, i did 10 hours of part 141 at my home in Texas, but im more of introducing A.B.B.I, which includes U.N.D, Kansas State,A.S.U, Wester Michigan etc. , in no way at all did i expect to be a FO on a crj 200 after 300 hours. Its just the fact that the there was a bridge training program which in all honesty has no affect anymore. So im looking at ATP right now, All my ratings for 40 grand and ALOT more M.E PIC time.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

WTF that would be stupid..

Question, Why does the FAA allow companies like Gleim to have access to the questions word for word?

IIRC, they are dirrectly available to the public through the FAA website. They don't just "grant" companies like Gleim special access.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

A.B.B.I.?? Are you talking about AABI Aviation Accreditation Board International?
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

I need help with all of this. Did the FO have well over 2k hours and the captain over 3k, maybe 4k. I am trying to see how if these times are close or correct this has turned into this 800/1500 hour requirement. In fact, the captain I've read in multiple places had a history of poor perfromance, failed checkrides, etc. Something about all of this is not adding up for me.​
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Completely agree. Sitting at 300 hours myself and wanting to move on to "what I've always wanted to do," 800, 1500, or by the time I'm ready to be looked at, 2000 hours, I don't care. Just don't make some damn stupid rule about crap like that. I could care less about the hours, whatever number they, or the airlines set.

Well, if the number of hours is a qualification for a certificate, I see no reason why it shouldn't be a requirement for employment as well.

There's going to be a minimum number of hours required, and I think that pegging it to the ATP requirement is a good idea.
 
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You're right. There will be people who are discouraged to pursue the career, particularly if they know ahead of time that it's a long haul to get into the right seat of an airliner. 90-days from zero to RJ pilot will be a thing of the past, and that's the way it should be. And, when supply of pilots goes down, price of pilots goes up if conventional economic theory holds up.

I don't want to sound like a cynical SOB, but I believe that this is good in the long run for the industry. The industry has for too long relied on people's love of flying to find new hires.

Now that the love of flying won't sustain most of them for the time that it takes to build up the time needed, those who stick it out will want more than just that. And that means compensation and quality of life.

I'm on Airline Pilot Central right now. In order to equal what I make in my current position, I'd have to be a five year captain on the 700. That is insane.

Hopefully, with fewer people to exploit since the requirements will be raised, the pay will go up.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

WTF that would be stupid..

Question, Why does the FAA allow companies like Gleim to have access to the questions word for word?


The FAA is a federal agency. Because there document is a public document it falls withing the Freedom Of Information Act, which means they gotta publish it when ya ask for it. They however maintain the answers and are not entitled to give those to Gleim ASA etc and so those companies research and identify which the correct answer is.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

So...to get back to the issue at hand...

Increased Fees:
(8) $50 for issuing an airman certificate.
(9) $25 for issuing a replacement airman certificate.
(10) $42 for issuing an airman medical certificate.

More money to get your licenses and medicals.

...big section on NextGen...

How long before this transition is finished? And how long before we actually get the appropriate number of controllers who can work the positions?

(a) In General- Not later than 6 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator...shall begin to issue improved pilot licenses...


(2) include a photograph of the individual to whom the license is issued;

We get photo ID's now!

(a) In General- Not later than 3 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conclude arrangements with the National Academy of Sciences for a study of pilot fatigue.(b) Study- The study shall include consideration of--
(1) research on pilot fatigue, sleep, and circadian rhythms;

(2) sleep and rest requirements of pilots recommended by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board; and

(3) Federal Aviation Administration and international standards regarding flight limitations and rest for pilots.


(c) Report- Not later than 18 months after initiating the study, the National Academy of Sciences shall submit to the Administrator a report containing its findings and recommendations regarding the study under subsections (a) and (b), including recommendations with respect to Federal Aviation Administration regulations governing flight time limitations and rest requirements for pilots.

(d) Rulemaking- After the Administrator receives the report of the National Academy of Sciences, the Administrator shall consider the findings in the report and update as appropriate based on scientific data Federal Aviation Administration regulations governing flight time limitations and rest requirements for pilots.

[Emphasis mine]

This is the one that gets me. A study? The FAA already has studies! They already have recommendations, and have had them for more than two decades! Unless there is a hard and fast rule that requires change to better conditions, I don't see anything coming of this. Which is a real shame.

(a) Establishment- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may establish a pilot program to improve safety and efficiency by providing surveillance for aircraft flying outside of radar coverage in mountainous areas.

Does anybody know what this means? It's not included in the sections on NextGen or ADS-B, so I don't know exactly what they're referring to.

(a) An individual may not smoke in an aircraft--(2) in nonscheduled intrastate or interstate transportation of passengers by aircraft for compensation, if a flight attendant is a required crewmember on the aircraft.

No more secondhand smoke for 135 flight attendants.

Consumer complaint hotline

I wonder if that will be a force for good...or for evil...

Large airlines must notify passengers by text message or email if their flight is delayed.

While not a bad idea (and heck, most probably already do this), I wonder how long it'll be before we see ads saying "Look! Look at what we do!"

each United States air carrier should--(1) establish for all members of the Armed Forces on active duty reduced air fares that are comparable to the lowest airfare for ticketed flights; and

(2) offer flexible terms that allow members of the Armed Forces on active duty to purchase, modify, or cancel tickets without time restrictions, fees, and penalties and waive baggage fees for a minimum of 3 bags.

:clap:

(a) Interstate and Intrastate Air Transportation-(1) IN GENERAL- An individual may not engage in voice communications using a mobile communications device in an aircraft during a flight in scheduled passenger interstate air transportation or scheduled passenger intrastate air transportation.

(2) EXCEPTIONS- The prohibition described in paragraph (1) shall not apply to--
(A) a member of the flight crew or flight attendants on an aircraft; or

(B) a Federal law enforcement officer acting in an official capacity.


(c) Definitions- In this section, the following definitions apply:




(2) VOICE COMMUNICATIONS USING A MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE-
(A) INCLUSIONS- The term ‘voice communications using a mobile communications device’ includes voice communications using--
(ii) a broadband wireless device or other wireless device that transmits data packets using the Internet Protocol or comparable technical standard;

Can't use Skype on that their Wifi equipped plane!

Study on pilot training

It'll be interesting to see what the study finds. I doubt much will change, but maybe we could see something that makes it tougher to get a commercial cert?
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

The FAA is a federal agency. Because there document is a public document it falls withing the Freedom Of Information Act, which means they gotta publish it when ya ask for it. They however maintain the answers and are not entitled to give those to Gleim ASA etc and so those companies research and identify which the correct answer is.

They don't always get it right either. I was studying both the King and Gleim materials--they didn't always come up with the same answer.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

By the way, asking for ATP mins isn't asking for much. Most of the time, the minimums to go work for the regionals is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200-1500 hours anyway. It's typically airline mismanagement and poor crew planning that drives the minimums way down what that does occasionally happen.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Good luck to all the Florida Flight School students and instructors looking for ice.
 
Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

Good luck to all the Florida Flight School students and instructors looking for ice.

The 'icing requirement' will probably degenerate into another square to fill, not unlike the current requirement to understand ice.

"Hello class, icing is bad. Any questions? OK, signed off then!"
 
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Yes A.A.B.I, im sorry, i always interpreted it as ABBI,


For those that don't know AABI is working to get the FAA and ICAO to use their accreditation to be the divide for reduced hours for the 1500/ATP rule.

It would be a huge plus for aviation colleges and universities that are accredited by AABI. It would probably decimate the mom & Pop shops and non-academic academies.
 
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Good luck to all the Florida Flight School students and instructors looking for ice.

Why? Just fly above 7 to 12K;) depending on where you are in Florida today
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True, it's a stereotype, but it goes to show- you can't replace stick time with a degree, regardless of what it's in, and that was my underlying point.

At the same time, all of the experience in the world can't replace a knowledge base either.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

...and for the other poster about 141/college.

My college trained all Part 61, except the Multi course, which was 141.

We also learned lots of theoretical stuff to give us a great toolbox to apply as we gained experience out flying around.
 
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The 'icing requirement' will probably degenerate into another square to fill, not unlike the current requirement to understand ice.

"Hello class, icing is bad. Any questions? OK, signed off then!"

wow how much is that class gonna cost students?:laff:
 
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Not true, a 141 school gives you experience with micromanagement of every detail of flying, wrangling with "dispatch", and generally taking the fun out of flying. Experience which will be invaluable when you finally get to the Airlines.

Depends on the school. I instructed at a school that was both 141 and 61. Only difference was I had to follow a specific syllabus for 141 vs my own lesson plans, and I had to take a couple of extra checkrides with the CP to qualify as a 141 instructor.
 
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