Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule included

Re: Senate Passes FAA Reauthorization Bill, 800 hr rule incl

BajtheJino said:
WTF does this mean?
How does one go about getting and documenting this kind of experience in 800 hrs?

This is crap.
Setting arbitrary time limits is crap.
These families are wasting their time chasing the wrong ball.
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Completely agree. Sitting at 300 hours myself and wanting to move on to "what I've always wanted to do," 800, 1500, or by the time I'm ready to be looked at, 2000 hours, I don't care. Just don't make some damn stupid rule about crap like that. I could care less about the hours, whatever number they, or the airlines set. The hours will come. A job at the airlines will always be there (in terms of there always being airlines). But my life?! Not going to fly into ice in a 172 for 3 hours just to please the Senate.

And in my unprofessional, extremely young opinion, the government getting involved like this is just edging closer to regulation...
 
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B767 said:
Completely agree. Sitting at 300 hours myself and wanting to move on to "what I've always wanted to do," 800, 1500, or by the time I'm ready to be looked at, 2000 hours, I don't care. Just don't make some damn stupid rule about crap like that. I could care less about the hours, whatever number they, or the airlines set. The hours will come. A job at the airlines will always be there (in terms of there always being airlines). But my life?! Not going to fly into ice in a 172 for 3 hours just to please the Senate.

And in my unprofessional, extremely young opinion, the government getting involved like this is just edging closer to regulation...
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You do realize that deregulation was one of the most chaotic, negative things that happened to the airline industry in its entire history, right?

The big salaries that pilots chase? Leftovers from the regulation era. The only reason those salaries exist is because pilots have fought tooth and nail to keep what they used to have. They've still lost a lot.

You know what deregulation gets us?

Skybus.
 
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Do you think you'd still be employed where you are now if the industry was regulated again? Honest question.

I don't think the fares on AE would be $98 round-trip AMA-DFW anymore. And I don't think the customer would want to pay too much more than that either. Like I said, just my unprofessional, underage, opinion.
 
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You know this wording just got me to thinking. I think it's going to lead to more icing accidents with lowtime pilots at the controls flying in wx they shoulden't be in. I thought we were supposed to avoid icing conditions?
 
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B767 said:
Do you think you'd still be employed where you are now if the industry was regulated again? Honest question.

I don't think the fares on AE would be $98 round-trip AMA-DFW anymore. And I don't think the customer would want to pay too much more than that either. Like I said, just my unprofessional, underage, opinion.
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With inflation adjustment, the only metric that has gone DOWN in the airline business is the fare price.

I don't know where it would put me in the industry, but I know we can't sustain it indefinitely.

The bigwigs themselves have said we need a capacity reduction.

How that'll play out in the days to come, I don't know.

Time will tell.

Obviously we can't charge $1000 for a coach seat to nowhere, but if we're not charging enough to actually generate a profit in the already bare-bones expenses of current airline business models, something's wrong with that.

Full regulation would be a great deal better than the major airlines raiding the Treasury each time they hit a major financial snag.

If we were REALLY a deregulated industry, there would be a great deal fewer airlines in business right now.
 
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Which there should be. A quick count on APC indicates about 22 regional airlines in the U.S. flying for 8 legacy/major airlines. (I'm counting major airline as one that flies something bigger than a CRJ-900/EMB-190. Not based on revenue.) I'm all for deregulation and what not, yada yada. But you can only have so many laundromats on main street....
 
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Lemme get this strait. End of 2011 comes, FAA hasn't put in the fars 800 hour language. So this bill will say, as a punishment, you MUST have fo's with 1500 hours?
 
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This would be much simpler to implement if FAA added this one paragraph to the regulations.

"No person may serve as a pilot crewmember under 14 CFR Part 121 unless that person possesses an Airline Transport Pilot certificate with the appropriate category, class, and type (if applicable) ratings."

Period, Dot. You either have the ticket or you don't. No need to worry about how you log experience in icing conditions, multicrew operations, or whatever B.S. metric they come up with.

For everyone who lacks qualifications for an ATP, then instruct, join the military, fly 135, tow banners, or start an aircraft ferry business. It just makes sense to me that if you're flying around paying passengers in the big leagues (121), you should have an ATP and be typed, as minimum. A 4-year degree would be even preferable. That's just to be an FO. I'd tell you what I think the qualifications should be to be a captain, but that's a whole different can of worms.

Basically, IMO an airline pilot should be deemed a professional on par with MD's and JD's, and be respected and paid accordingly.
 
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germb747 said:
For everyone who lacks qualifications for an ATP, then instruct, join the military, fly 135, tow banners, or start an aircraft ferry business.
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Agree. As a low time 300 hr myself, I'm tired of people complaining about it. 300, 800, 1000, 1500, who cares?! You'll get the hours when you get the hours. Hours will be there, for you to find. You "want" to get hired by an airline, get the hours. You "want" to get hired by an airline without working towards it, find another profession, and in the mean time, come to me for your Flight Reviews so I can get some time :D
 
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scooter2525 said:
Lemme get this strait. End of 2011 comes, FAA hasn't put in the fars 800 hour language. So this bill will say, as a punishment, you MUST have fo's with 1500 hours?
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Yea that is my understanding of it. Im just curious to know when between now and end of 2011 the FAA will implement it.
 
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Baronguy18 said:
Yea that is my understanding of it. Im just curious to know when between now and end of 2011 the FAA will implement it.
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December 31, 2011 at approximately 11:59 pm. :pirate:
 
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scooter2525 said:
Lemme get this strait. End of 2011 comes, FAA hasn't put in the fars 800 hour language. So this bill will say, as a punishment, you MUST have fo's with 1500 hours?
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Nothing from nothing, why do you say "punishment?"
 
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SpiraMirabilis said:
They could replace it with one that operates on a 135 certificate, you can operate a Beech 1900 with passengers on one.
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Honest question: How does that work? I was under the impression that anything over nine seats had to be operated Part 121.

germb747 said:
This would be much simpler to implement if FAA added this one paragraph to the regulations.

"No person may serve as a pilot crewmember under 14 CFR Part 121 unless that person possesses an Airline Transport Pilot certificate with the appropriate category, class, and type (if applicable) ratings."
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This, I feel, would be the best solution. It is simple, straight forward, and would be easy to implement. However, those three aspects make it impossible for Congresscritters to comprehend.
 
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germb747 said:
Basically, IMO an airline pilot should be deemed a professional on par with MD's and JD's, and be respected and paid accordingly.
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Agreed. I think many people do, they're just not in management.
 
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germb747 said:
Basically, IMO an airline pilot should be deemed a professional on par with MD's and JD's, and be respected and paid accordingly.
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Do you honestly think that just because the fed's are going to require a certian number of hours, and an ATP to fly for the, as you put it "big boys," that it will majically raise the bar for pilot pay to the level of a doctor? If anything, it's only going to discourage a few people to persue the career. Those of us still willing to put in the work are still going to be left fighting for the few positions that are out there.
 
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I think Congress has basically said "you need this" and left it up to the FAA for the exact wording and hour requirements for things like icing and crew environment. Honestly, I'm more interested in how they're gonna word that last one. Techincally, there are some Cirusses (Cirusi?) flying around with weeping wings that can fly in icing. You can always go the route that's worked for decades and fly freight to get the icing time in aircraft that are certified for it. There are gonna be a few guys that try to get their "ice time" in a 172, but any smart hiring board is gonna see they did it in a plane that wasn't certified and say "We don't want someone that unsafe flying for us." Well, I'd HOPE that happens.

As for the crew environment thing.....how are they gonna work THAT one? Does it have to be in an airplane certified for two pilots or does flying around with Joe in his King Air count?

As far as I know, the House's proposal still has 1500 hours as the requirement. If it passes out of the house with that, this isn't over. The two bills with have to be reconciled in a committee.
 
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mshunter said:
Do you honestly think that just because the fed's are going to require a certian number of hours, and an ATP to fly for the, as you put it "big boys," that it will majically raise the bar for pilot pay to the level of a doctor? If anything, it's only going to discourage a few people to persue the career. Those of us still willing to put in the work are still going to be left fighting for the few positions that are out there.
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You're right. There will be people who are discouraged to pursue the career, particularly if they know ahead of time that it's a long haul to get into the right seat of an airliner. 90-days from zero to RJ pilot will be a thing of the past, and that's the way it should be. And, when supply of pilots goes down, price of pilots goes up if conventional economic theory holds up.
 
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germb747 said:
This would be much simpler to implement if FAA added this one paragraph to the regulations.

"No person may serve as a pilot crewmember under 14 CFR Part 121 unless that person possesses an Airline Transport Pilot certificate with the appropriate category, class, and type (if applicable) ratings."

Period, Dot. You either have the ticket or you don't. No need to worry about how you log experience in icing conditions, multicrew operations, or whatever B.S. metric they come up with.

For everyone who lacks qualifications for an ATP, then instruct, join the military, fly 135, tow banners, or start an aircraft ferry business. It just makes sense to me that if you're flying around paying passengers in the big leagues (121), you should have an ATP and be typed, as minimum. A 4-year degree would be even preferable. That's just to be an FO. I'd tell you what I think the qualifications should be to be a captain, but that's a whole different can of worms.

Basically, IMO an airline pilot should be deemed a professional on par with MD's and JD's, and be respected and paid accordingly.
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I'd stop short of requiring a four year degree. As a corporate hiring requirement, that's one thing.

As an FAA mandated rule- whut? What on earth could require four years of colllegiate study to fly an airplane?

Consider the Army's rotary wing programs. The best sticks out there? Warrant Officers- who do not require four year degrees. They go to flight school and then fly as much as possible. The ones with the degrees? They get a 'full commission' and fly a desk, and occasionally strap on a helicopter and scare the snot out of Warrant Officers and enlisted crewmembers in the back. I know this from experience. I was one of the guys in the back.
 
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