Sad Realization

Boris Badenov said:
The operative word being "was". But yeah, I guess I'm kind of like you. There was a time where these kinds of things happened. Either left seat at a commuter or right seat at a "Major/Legacy/Whatever". I think for the most part those days are behind us, but I'm confused by the notion that the OP was crazy to think about it. Like no one else has ever thought of having some awesome, unlikely thing happen to them and their career prospects? Guess he just made the mistake of saying it out loud.
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I got three words for you:

Time In Type!

It's the greatest barrier in corporate/135 charter. You'll need it to get any good gig or slightly less crappy gig unless you get extremely lucky.
 
ctab5060X said:
I wouldn't even have considered that an option.

The hardest thing I have done in my career so far is to accept a street captain position on a new type with a new company. Even with prior experience as a 121 FO, adjusting to a new type and how a new company ran their operation (all while FOs/operations/dispatchers looked to me for leadership and answers at times) was extremely challenging. I can't imagine trying to make the jump from 135 prop captain to 121 jet captain. Sorry, but there are things that need to be seen in the 121 environment that are best seen and learned from the right seat first.
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I HAVE to be missing the part in 121.1 where it explains that 121 operations are limited to turbojet/fans only, and pax only.
 
Boyington said:
If you can say that, I can say that there is an AMF dispatcher that went straight to Omni to fly a 767 a month ago. (granted, he was a 121 captain for several years before getting furloughed and spending a couple years as a dispatcher at AMF).
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You talking about one from CVG or are there more than 1 going to Omni
 
KLB said:
I got three words for you:

Time In Type!

It's the greatest barrier in corporate/135 charter. You'll need it to get any good gig or slightly less crappy gig unless you get extremely lucky.
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Oh, agreed entirely on the 135/91 side. Which is why someone needs to make @CK buy some G650s. I need time in type! Uh, so that I may be a more useful employee and make more money for The Team!
 
KLB said:
I got three words for you:

Time In Type!

It's the greatest barrier in corporate/135 charter. You'll need it to get any good gig or slightly less crappy gig unless you get extremely lucky.
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Time in type, and jet time. It is what multi time was 10 years ago. Nobody is going to great jet jobs be it 121,135 or 91 without jet time, that doesn't have multiple "in" references. There are always the curveball types that have gone to 6 job fairs, or their dad is the chief pilot but joe blow pilot without jet time is not getting an amazing retirement job right out of AMF.
 
Boris Badenov said:
I don't really understand what "commuter operation" is, though. Scheduled 135?
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I think so. My old company was scheduled 135 for much of it's existence before going 121 in the late 1990s.

When did Comair go 100% 121? Anyone know? I'm assuming they were like ASA and started as 135.
 
Inverted said:
Time in type, and jet time.
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Ajajajajaj. Time in type, jet time, glass time, PIC time, JET PIC TIME. They're just numbers on an application. This business, like all other businesses, is all about who you know. Strike that...who knows YOU. We've somehow been deluded in to thinking that you can just check some boxes and whatever your heart's fondest dream is will come true. Not so. Anywhere you want to be will be run by human beings who want to at the very least not loathe the people they work with. Checking the boxes is the first step, and it's the easy one, at least if you're an unlikable scumbag like me and everyone else reading this. Honestly, though, do your stuff, say what you think, go to NJCs (or whatever) and you'll meet people who might, against all odds, like you, and want for you to be where they are. It's the way of the world, and I'd venture to say that it's not even a bad way. It's not even about "getting ahead" or "being where you want to be"...it's an holistic process. Just be the dude you are, tell people what you want, and if you're not a weirdo or a liar, you'll get there, soon enough. Everyone, in my estimation, winds up where they belong, if they're patient and, what, available?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Ajajajajaj. Time in type, jet time, glass time, PIC time, JET PIC TIME. They're just numbers on an application. This business, like all other businesses, is all about who you know. Strike that...who knows YOU. We've somehow been deluded in to thinking that you can just check some boxes and whatever your heart's fondest dream is will come true. Not so. Anywhere you want to be will be run by human beings who want to at the very least not loathe the people they work with. Checking the boxes is the first step, and it's the easy one, at least if you're an unlikable scumbag like me and everyone else reading this. Honestly, though, do your stuff, say what you think, go to NJCs (or whatever) and you'll meet people who might, against all odds, like you, and want for you to be where they are. It's the way of the world, and I'd venture to say that it's not even a bad way. It's not even about "getting ahead" or "being where you want to be"...it's an holistic process. Just be the dude you are, tell people what you want, and if you're not a weirdo or a liar, you'll get there, soon enough. Everyone, in my estimation, winds up where they belong, if they're patient and, what, available?
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They are just numbers on an application just like 1000 hours TPIC. Just like multi time etc. I can tell you right now that no matter who you know at my current company, I con't care if you are the CPs son, you aren't getting hired here without a previous jet type, and an ATP. So these things matter, but I agree, and have previously stated, it is all about who you know.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Ajajajajaj. Time in type, jet time, glass time, PIC time, JET PIC TIME. They're just numbers on an application. This business, like all other businesses, is all about who you know. Strike that...who knows YOU. We've somehow been deluded in to thinking that you can just check some boxes and whatever your heart's fondest dream is will come true. Not so. Anywhere you want to be will be run by human beings who want to at the very least not loathe the people they work with. Checking the boxes is the first step, and it's the easy one, at least if you're an unlikable scumbag like me and everyone else reading this. Honestly, though, do your stuff, say what you think, go to NJCs (or whatever) and you'll meet people who might, against all odds, like you, and want for you to be where they are. It's the way of the world, and I'd venture to say that it's not even a bad way. It's not even about "getting ahead" or "being where you want to be"...it's an holistic process. Just be the dude you are, tell people what you want, and if you're not a weirdo or a liar, you'll get there, soon enough. Everyone, in my estimation, winds up where they belong, if they're patient and, what, available?
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THAT

The ONE corporate outfit corporate outfit that I kind of have contact with does not give two poops what you've flown in the past. All they want is PIC time, some turbine time and total time for insurance. They want to get along with you during the 9 hours you might fly together. GV, G550, and Citation X operator.

Why part 121 main lines are all bent out of shape over having other 121 time or jet/glass/fms/crew is beyond me, but whatever. In my opinion, airplane, point A to B, in an expected time frame, ZERO difference! Again, whatever...

@z987k, I know you can back me up on this, and I know you like arguing on the internet. :)
 
UAL747400 said:
THAT

The ONE corporate outfit corporate outfit that I kind of have contact with does not give two poops what you've flown in the past. All they want is PIC time, some turbine time and total time for insurance. They want to get along with you during the 9 hours you might fly together. GV, G550, and Citation X operator.

Why part 121 main lines are all bent out of shape over having other 121 time or jet/glass/fms/crew is beyond me, but whatever. In my opinion, airplane, point A to B, in an expected time frame, ZERO difference! Again, whatever...

@z987k, I know you can back me up on this, and I know you like arguing on the internet. :)
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Um.. Yes.?
All I know, is I've learned from this thread that props are banned under 121.
 
z987k said:
Um.. Yes.?
All I know, is I've learned from this thread that props are banned under 121.
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I was more referring to, did you ever see any of the 121 crap that was *OMG, 121 is SO different, you MUST have 121 to fly 121!!!!!!!1111!!!!111!* that is perpetuated in this thread and the thread I started couple weeks ago.

The way I see it, the planes are just as old and decades behind in technology as everything else that's old, except for jets/props used in 135/91. If anything, only Gulfstream, Falcon, and citation X operators should give a damn about jet time and glass time. Whatever, I digress.
 
UAL747400 said:
I was more referring to, did you ever see any of the 121 crap that was *OMG, 121 is SO different, you MUST have 121 to fly 121!!!!!!!1111!!!!111!* that is perpetuated in this thread and the thread I started couple weeks ago.

The way I see it, the planes are just as old and decades behind in technology as everything else that's old, except for jets/props used in 135/91. If anything, only Gulfstream, Falcon, and citation X operators should give a damn about jet time and glass time. Whatever, I digress.
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Not really. I mean 121 scheduled pax ops are different than any 135, but it's not the flying. It's the ground ops, paperwork, dealing with other bs. I don't know why a reasonably intelligent person couldn't have them mastered from both seats in a hundred hours or so. And you are right, airliners are ancient compared to anything new on the other side of the airport.

And actually there is 121 flying that is way way more like and really indistinguishable from a lot of 135 flying. But that must be in my head because we all know that 121 flying is only jets with 50 or more pax seats in them. No turboprops, no freight, no on-demand and everything has FMS. Yup. :rolleyes:
 
z987k said:
Not really. I mean 121 scheduled pax ops are different than any 135, but it's not the flying. It's the ground ops, paperwork, dealing with other bs. I don't know why a reasonably intelligent person couldn't have them mastered from both seats in a hundred hours or so. And you are right, airliners are ancient compared to anything new on the other side of the airport.

And actually there is 121 flying that is way way more like and really indistinguishable from a lot of 135 flying. But that must be in my head because we all know that 121 flying is only jets with 50 or more pax seats in them. No turboprops, no freight, no on-demand and everything has FMS. Yup. :rolleyes:
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USA Jet, FedEx, UPS, ect... :)

Oh and Allegiant is exactly Ameriflight, but with jets, and the freight might complain if you load it. Checks the box though and that's what counts!!! :)
 
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Boris Badenov said:
Oh, agreed entirely on the 135/91 side. Which is why someone needs to make @CK buy some G650s. I need time in type! Uh, so that I may be a more useful employee and make more money for The Team!
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I dunno, didn't you guys just get a jetstar? DO WANT!
 
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