Run up question

Sisson2011

Sisson2011

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I know at almost every airport you are suppose to do your run up at the end of the runway before departure. However, what if it is at a primary class C or B airport. Do you just tell ground when you taxi you still need to do your run up so they know, or maybe they have a specific location for you to do it at?

Also, when you call a tower airport with an AWOS/ASOS (not ATIS).. how do you report the weather... at my local airport we say "with the numbers", however, I have also hear, "have the weather", or "got the ASOS (AWOS)". Is there generally a correct way or is all acceptable?
 
Sisson2011 said:
I know at almost every airport you are suppose to do your run up at the end of the runway before departure.
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NO, NO, NO!!! You do not do your runup at the hold short line no matter what size the airport is. What about people that might be behind you? You either do it while taxi-ing down to the runway or you do it someplace out of the way where you won't hold anyone up. This happens every so often and when flow control is in effect and we've only got four to six minutes to get from the ramp to get off the runway and we get someone in front of us that thinks the hold short line is their run up pad we get screwed. Every airport provides some sort of runup area. Use it. End rant.
When you fly out of an airport without an ATIS you report you have "the weather". You don't have numbers. You have weather. End second rant.
 
Really no different with a B or C as to run up. If there is a run up area near the end of the taxiway, use it, it not, just do as you do at your home field. Ground knows you need to do one. Just do it in sequence, not when you are in the #1 position. When you are there you should be ready to fly.

You can do most of your takeoff check while still on the ramp, and some while taxiing- no big deal. Then when ready, 15-20 seconds for the run up, lower your flaps and you're good to go.

"With the numbers is fine", although I have yet to visit a towered field without ATIS, that's still what would say.
 
I fly in and out of a C airports all the time and some of them have run-up areas so that makes the decision easy. Since I fly light singles and twins, most of the time they have me taxi to an intersection so I can take as much time as I want since the majority of the times there's no one behind me. If that doesn't work, sometimes I will do the run-up while taxiing. There are many various options. If for some reason I have to do a full length take-off and there are people behind me then they will just have to wait. I will never let someone pressure me to cut corners on safety.
 
I usually stop about 50 yards shy of the yellow bars, swing her around with the wheel on the end of the pavement and do it there (I haven't seen a run up area in I don't know how long), while trying to get the wings as parallel to the taxi way as possible. If I do that, business jets can usually get around me if they need to. Of course, your run ups get faster the more you do it, so I'm only there a couple of minutes.
 
BajtheJino said:
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NO, NO, NO!!! You do not do your runup at the hold short line no matter what size the airport is. What about people that might be behind you? You either do it while taxi-ing down to the runway or you do it someplace out of the way where you won't hold anyone up. This happens every so often and when flow control is in effect and we've only got four to six minutes to get from the ramp to get off the runway and we get someone in front of us that thinks the hold short line is their run up pad we get screwed. Every airport provides some sort of runup area. Use it. End rant.
When you fly out of an airport without an ATIS you report you have "the weather". You don't have numbers. You have weather. End second rant.
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Here at KAUS, the ramp area from the taxiway to the runway is huge. They ask the GA/piston-single guys to turn in fairly "tight" to do our runups, which still gives us lots of room. It's not like the regular runup area I've seen at other airports. But you're tucked away that you're in no danger of being a traffic impediment on the ground.

The jets and larger business aircraft have scads of room to get around us and take off. It's the way they want it done here. If it's a really busy day, Ground will have you sometimes go to an intersection as described above, and are usually cool about letting you do an intersection takeoff if you can accept it.

As for calling in, I was taught by a local CFI that they want us to say with <ATIS designation, X-ray, Yankee, Whiskey, whatever> when calling departure for VFR clearance.
 
I do it while holding short if nobody is behind me.

"Have the numbers" tells the controller you ONLY have 3 things, runway in use, altimeter, and wind direction and velocity, NOTHING else.

"Have the weather" is more appropriate. It tells the controller you have the whole AWOS/ASOS/ATIS.
 
"Have the numbers," "Have the weather," is the improper way to do it. :banghead: If the ATIS says "Advise controler on initial contact that you have Yankee," then you tell the controler that you have Yankee. If the controler doesn't ask you if you have Yankee, then he/she is not doing there job properly. Whose to say that you have the old info, and are setting yourself up to land runway 12, when the winds have shifted and now runway 30 is in use. If you have the old info, say Alpha, and Bravo is now current, that's how you will find out.

See AIM 4-1-13 (d). ALWAYS use the phonetic. Unless you like to clog the radio up with "Cessna123XYZ, verify information Zulu."

If useing a ASOS, AWOS, and it dosen't give you a phonetic, than you say you have the weather.
 
mshunter said:
"Have the numbers," "Have the weather," is the improper way to do it. :banghead: If the ATIS says "Advise controler on initial contact that you have Yankee," then you tell the controler that you have Yankee. If the controler doesn't ask you if you have Yankee, then he/she is not doing there job properly. Whose to say that you have the old info, and are setting yourself up to land runway 12, when the winds have shifted and now runway 30 is in use. If you have the old info, say Alpha, and Bravo is now current, that's how you will find out.

See AIM 4-1-13 (d). ALWAYS use the phonetic. Unless you like to clog the radio up with "Cessna123XYZ, verify information Zulu."

If useing a ASOS, AWOS, and it dosen't give you a phonetic, than you say you have the weather.
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Sisson2011 said:
Also, when you call a tower airport with an AWOS/ASOS (not ATIS).. how do you report the weather... at my local airport we say "with the numbers", however, I have also hear, "have the weather", or "got the ASOS (AWOS)". Is there generally a correct way or is all acceptable?
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I'd like to thank the guy who told ground he was going to do a run up and to warn the plane behind him. Maybe he didn't hear the "Heavy" in our callsign when we were told to follow him, but thanks for thinking of us!:D
 
BajtheJino said:
Begin Rant
NO, NO, NO!!! You do not do your runup at the hold short line no matter what size the airport is. What about people that might be behind you? You either do it while taxi-ing down to the runway or you do it someplace out of the way where you won't hold anyone up. This happens every so often and when flow control is in effect and we've only got four to six minutes to get from the ramp to get off the runway and we get someone in front of us that thinks the hold short line is their run up pad we get screwed. Every airport provides some sort of runup area. Use it. End rant.
When you fly out of an airport without an ATIS you report you have "the weather". You don't have numbers. You have weather. End second rant.
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here at EFD the controllers have us (GA) go to the intersections for dept. and REQUIRE to do the run up there. There is no designated area that I know of. Any buisness jet, NASA, transient fighter, basically anyone other than GA goes to the end of the runway for a full length departure.
 
When I was a student I went to SYR for my long cross country. I was used to pulling straight up to the hold line for the runup, so that's what I did. And the ground controller tore me a new one for holding up the line. And I have been very conscious of it ever since.

At RIC, the ground controller asked us "will you require a runup today?" And then he directed us to an out-of-the-way intersection.

At MEM, I did it holding short of 18L since there was no runup pad there. Luckily those FedEx MD-11s were using the other two.

When in doubt, ask.

And I think the PCG recommends that you have "the one-minute weather." But I've never heard it used.
 
matt152 said:
When I was a student I went to SYR for my long cross country. I was used to pulling straight up to the hold line for the runup, so that's what I did. And the ground controller tore me a new one for holding up the line. And I have been very conscious of it ever since.

At RIC, the ground controller asked us "will you require a runup today?" And then he directed us to an out-of-the-way intersection.

At MEM, I did it holding short of 18L since there was no runup pad there. Luckily those FedEx MD-11s were using the other two.

When in doubt, ask.

And I think the PCG recommends that you have "the one-minute weather." But I've never heard it used.
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Very true, I used to use it whenever I was going into and out of a uncontrolled field (KHRO - Harrison, AR). I would have to say "...have the one-minute weather" twice a day.

If you go to a busy airport, Class B or C, and some D, tell ground and they will usually place you in an out of the way place. Most controllers that I talk to can figure out from the call sign if you do or do not, but don't hold me to that. If a newly minted CPC is on the freq they may have no clue what a runup is. The biggest problem for me was that Tower always thought that I should be able to do an engine runup within 30 seconds when I hava a pre-private student with me. I started talking to the controllers and they finally got the clue as how long it takes. Communication is the best advice for any situation!
 
I used to fly out of KAHN (it is a Delta with ASOS). One day the controllers apparently went to a meeting where they learned a lot and one of the things they implemented was to make us say "...with the ASOS..." upon calling ground. If you said "...with the weather...," no joy. They'd simply ask if you had the ASOS.

Italianaviator said:
I will never let someone pressure me to cut corners on safety.
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Don't be a pain, but don't rush a run-up. I used to go through the motions till one day I made it 35 minutes out on a 4 hour trip and the JPI was indicating a plug was fouled. Had to go back for a simple fix and wasted 3 hours. All I needed to do was wait 15 more seconds during the run up to see if all CHTs rose.

Also, I used to skip an idle check if in a hurry until i grounded a plane once because it failed an idle check and few weeks later my friend crashed the plane base to final because it wouldnt idle (yes, he's fine; plane, no).

Not meaning to hijack, but... one of my favorite things to go off on controllers about to the extent I'll meet them in the tower is if I'm taking off in a 172 (or other simalar aircraft) and some hot head in a Baron, for ex., was taxiing at 30kts and demands to take off while I only made it to 300' AGL (and when I took off he was still >1,000' from the hold short line) and tower says "turn when able or NOW or some other means of prodding me off the runway heading (and a "suitable landing area (the run way)) before I the pilot deem safe, I simply say "no." Or if the controller lets the person roll assuming I'm willing to buzz some 100'+ high rises at 300 AGL so some • can get off 1 minute earlier at my life's expense...bad juju. I'm going to the tower in person.
 
Bottom line....just say, "I need a run-up, is there somewhere you want me to go specifically?" You cannot be blamed after asking.
 
I learned to fly at uncontrolled airports (did my training at GKY prior to the tower being there), and there was always a run up area.

When I was operating Chieftains out of Burbank, we'd be some of the only traffic departing off of 8, which didn't have a run up area. With that, the controllers knew we'd do our run up near the end, but we'd try to keep as far to the edge as possible. On the rest of the runways there were places to do the run up away from the other traffic.

Normally when operating a piston aircraft out of an airport with a tower that I'm not familiar with, I'll simply ask the ground controller where they want me to do the run up so we make sure we're all on the same page.
 
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