It's an unstable something of a shape, that without its multiple FBW systems would be nothing more than a falling brick.
RJ drags wingtip on landing
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It's an unstable something of a shape, that without its multiple FBW systems would be nothing more than a falling brick.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Nah, the one with the permanent 68 degree wing sweep. Probably more than anyone here has flown.....
Shack.
I wouldn't think you would see a whole lot of instability down low with a 45 foot wing span, regardless of the sweep.
Nark
Macho Superpilot
I guarantee you @Roger Roger wasn't talking about how a PA31 is flown like a CRJ.
If a pilot doesn't understand the energy state of his aircraft, be it a 2000lbs GA or 200,000lbs + airliner, he or she needs to go back to "the books."
Given this aircraft was flown on a near calm day, we can't say "this was bad luck." No, this was poor airmanship. (I'm safety assuming there weren't MEL's effecting the landing performance either.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
As long as the pilot didn't screw with anything, like trying to slip or cross control, it was fine.
But the FBW was constantly working in managing the static/dynamic instability, and that was where more of the issue was. You didnt notice it too much when flying it yourself, but if you were flying formation with one of them, you'd see all the control surfaces were constantly moving and making small corrections, without pilot input. Kind of creepy actually.
PositionAndHold
Well-Known Member
I was going to say it always sounded like a helicopter trapped in a fixed wind body.It's an unstable something of a shape, that without its multiple FBW systems would be nothing more than a falling brick.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
You say that as if it is the only airplane Daff flew.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Nah, the one with the permanent 68 degree wing sweep. Probably more than anyone here has flown.....
You're right -- I did not get non-vol'd to the stinkbug, hehe.
Thats seemingly how all the light grey guys who were there, got there. Hog and dark grey guys were a definite minority in the community.
Best is when light grey guys would speak up about what they thought regarding interdiction tactics and ordnance selection.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Best is when light grey guys would speak up about what they thought regarding interdiction tactics and ordnance selection.
How did they ever get past their initial inability to say any word other than "blivet"?!
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
The correct nomenclature is trianglefoil.
Hey, you want career-wide credit for the F-15, @MikeD probably wants career-wide credit for the stinkbug and the hog!
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
Translation:
"This could never happen to me. I'm a good pilot, and bad chit never happens to good pilots."
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Apparently it is now heresy to suggest that bending metal in a perfectly good airplane (assuming that was the case [which is a big assumption at this current time]) on a normal landing with light wind just might be a sign of underlying problems at least with training and checking, or possibly, maybe, heaven forbid, the competence of someone who was hired by an airline that at this point is picking talent by phone interview.
I don't know when but apparently somewhere along the way we lost sight of the fact that not everyone is cut out for this stuff and (once again given what is at present a large but not unreasonable set of assumptions) bending metal in a pretty undemanding set of circumstance just might be an indicator of something wrong.
Said another way, drag a wingtip in an rj and nobody bats an eye, wear sandals in a Cessna and everyone loses their gorram mind.
sweeps
Undercarriage Actuator
What does that have to do with a photoshopped pic? Not saying tail strikes don't happen. Just that that particular photo is doctored.
Nark
Macho Superpilot
Yep that's exactly what I said.
Since you recently upgraded on the Airbus, can you explain to me how I can avoid scraping a wing on it?
Evidently the last several thousand hours/landings in various airplanes: land, sea and skis; it's only been sheer luck I haven't scraped a wing.
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