RJ course or 100 hours?

kellwolf said:
Wait till you get more time in the plane and get more comfortable. You'll start biting your tongue so hard it bleeds. It's not the big things that annoy me anymore, it's little things, which is just sad. We're talking pins and needles annoying when the other guy doesn't switch to VS mode when the VSI is warbling b/w 1000 and 400 fpm.
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Oh I know what you're saying. I try to not let that stuff bother me. I was talking more about delivery, because saying "Hey! Guy! Have you ever heard of VS mode!? No? $($(%$(%*$(%*9........." probably won't get you too far, but making a comment like, "You'd think that for what we paid Honeywell for this autopilot they'd make something that could actually, you know, hold a speed properly eh?" might be a tad bit more tactful.

I know, you're thinking, "John and tact? No way!" but even I've figured out a few situations where it works well.
 
The only real advantage I see in the RJ course is that it will get you a seniority number faster. If it is free I would say go for it, but 6k is really ridiculous.
 
777forever said:
The only real advantage I see in the RJ course is that it will get you a seniority number faster. If it is free I would say go for it, but 6k is really ridiculous.
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You always dont get the RJ huh? A lot of good the course is going to give you flying the weedwacker :)

Seriously, glad you got the ATR. Chicks dig Beta and you will be a much better rounded pilot. Props also build a lot of character.
 
Seggy said:
You always dont get the RJ huh? A lot of good the course is going to give you flying the weedwacker :)

Seriously, glad you got the ATR. Chicks dig Beta and you will be a much better rounded pilot. Props also build a lot of character.
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If one were to apply to ASA and the company told you to go get 100 hours or an RJ course before your interview.

Let's say you go do the RJ course. You successfully interview...

What are the chances the company then gives you the ATR? Would they?

And how many starry eyed UND grads would be devastated?
 
SmitteyB said:
If one were to apply to ASA and the company told you to go get 100 hours or an RJ course before your interview.

Let's say you go do the RJ course. You successfully interview...

What are the chances the company then gives you the ATR? Would they?

And how many starry eyed UND grads would be devastated?
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I know a guy that went to MAPD, did all the RJ stuff.....and he got the 1900.

Here's another one: what if you do the RJ course (which is based on the CRJ), and you get hired at XJT or another operator that flies the ERJ? IMO, that's gonna cause some problems based on the law of primacy and interference. But, maybe not, since a lot of the guys that do RJ courses don't even know what interference or the law of primacy is. :)
 
kellwolf said:
I know a guy that went to MAPD, did all the RJ stuff.....and he got the 1900.

Here's another one: what if you do the RJ course (which is based on the CRJ), and you get hired at XJT or another operator that flies the ERJ? IMO, that's gonna cause some problems based on the law of primacy and interference. But, maybe not, since a lot of the guys that do RJ courses don't even know what interference or the law of primacy is. :)
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Which is EXACTLY what is wrong with Regional Airline Academy among other things.

You pay them $24,000 for the ERJ type rating and next thing you know you're in initial training at Air Wisconsin on the CRJ.

It has happened before. A Colgan captain I flew with, went to RAA got the CRJ type and then got hired at Colgan on the Saab. Solid guy, but now realizes his mistake.

Colgan has a lot of RAA'ers and Gulfstreamer's and to be honest they ALL regret it and they are all absolutely standup guys. Although a couple are VERY ANTI-ALPA.
 
I would definitely concur on the 100 hours over the CRJ course, for all the reasons that have been outlined above. Here at Career Pilot School, have a lot of guys that make use of our multi time building programs, many in the same boat you are in. No matter what, you at least have that multi time in your log.

No matter who you go fly for, they are going to train you to fly what they fly and how they want you to fly it.
 
Take the RJ course money and go do something cool..

Go fly a plane..

Go get a tail wheel endorsement, single engine sea, something.. Go take some upset training..

Go fly a plane...
 
kellwolf said:
And this guy has come a LONG way in this argument. :)
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Seggy said:
You always dont get the RJ huh? A lot of good the course is going to give you flying the weedwacker :)

Seriously, glad you got the ATR. Chicks dig Beta and you will be a much better rounded pilot. Props also build a lot of character.
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Yeah Im excited. I haven't met one person yet who hasn't said they had an absolute BLAST flying the ATR.

Now this RJ course thing, when it came down to it, call me lazy, but going thru groundschool for real and getting PAYED for it is already stressful enough and requires alot of effort. Now paying someone to exert that kinda of effort is out of my league. I'd rather be paid to do it. Hehe, when you become a CFI, and start getting paid to do stuff, you never want to pay to fly ever again. One guy asked me about splitting ME time a while back when I first got to Skymates. I was like whoa! You kidding right? Heck no. Let me know whenever you need some instruction. Thats why im surprised people still go buy multi time. Get an MEI. I paid for my first 28ME hours and been getting paid ever since.
 
DE727UPS said:
Weren't you the guy who said the RJ course was a great deal cause it got you a job faster?
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Isn't that impressive? Somebody ACTUALLY listened to you Don! When was the last time THAT happened? And your FOs don't count. They get paid to say yes sir.


:)
 
DE727UPS said:
Weren't you the guy who said the RJ course was a great deal cause it got you a job faster?
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The only airline I thought it was useful for in getting the job faster was Republic because it got you in with 500/100 instead of 1000/100. Now Republic is hiring at 500/100 without the course. With the minimums dropped even further now there's really no point in taking it. Go get your MEI and get 100 ME and you're golden. Heck 50ME will make you golden at most places.

All the airlines are looking for are applicants who can pass initial training. RJ courses is only ONE thing that impresses them. Other things on your resume can be just as or more impressive than an RJ course. If you're an Eagle Scout you're automatically hired at ASA pending you have no DUIs etc. Good grades in college, Master Degrees, a degree period can also help tremendously. Its all about advertising yourself and your abilities.

Personally I think the course is ok if its free. If you didn't go to college and need to access your study skills then it maybe ok to take it. I wouldn't take it without being paid for it. Shoot, a week of my time would have be 40-50 hrs worth of flight time at Skymates:)
 
I know a guy that took an RJ course. He got hired at the airline of his choice. Then he busted out of training. Now I have heard that he is having trouble getting a job.

Moral: Might as well get experience, because you are going to learn what you need to know in groundschool. A low time pilot who takes a RJ course has the same ratings, endorsements, and TT/Turbine time that they had before they took the course.
 
Seggy said:
You always dont get the RJ huh? A lot of good the course is going to give you flying the weedwacker :)

Seriously, glad you got the ATR. Chicks dig Beta and you will be a much better rounded pilot. Props also build a lot of character.
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I think me showing 777 the mighty beech 99 changed his mind about turbo props!:sarcasm::)
 
777forever said:
All the airlines are looking for are applicants who can pass initial training. RJ courses is only ONE thing that impresses them. Other things on your resume can be just as or more impressive than an RJ course. If you're an Eagle Scout you're automatically hired at ASA pending you have no DUIs etc. Good grades in college, Master Degrees, a degree period can also help tremendously. Its all about advertising yourself and your abilities.
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100% correct . Anything that you would put on your resume in the business world, if it is not extraneous, would be helpful. Show them that you have accomplished challenges before and that you are an achiever.

Referring to the orignal question, I would say the cheapest way to enhance your resume would be nail the ATP written with a high score, and get your IGI, AGI tickets too.
 
Re: RJ course or 100 hours? Dreadful wx, lacking students

Folks here have great experience to share. We all appreciate & learn from the input so far.

Marine,
Getting back to your original point, some guys may not understand your predicament in regards to instructing in NE Ohio, winter upon you...
Whereas paying students used to be plentiful during better weather, now there is just that dreadful wait in the cold/low ceiling/ice before the next hour can be logged (who knows how long it takes before another guy finally walks in needing a BFR)...
This may or may not be your situation, but I am not sure everyone here can see that, such excruciating condition may drag on for next ~4 months.:(
FatBastard have a point: IF you can get GI Bill or whatever Fed$ to pay for a $3K RJ course, I wouldn't hold it against you. I don't mind paying taxes to support my fellow vets.

More importantly, try to:
1. Stay focused & motivated: Refresh IFR stuff while waiting; read up on jet systems, etc. to be a step ahead; take your ATP written.
2. Keep actively applying to other regionals (which you are probably doing).
3. Re-apply to those such as Eagle (which you are probably NOT doing yet). Bear in mind that you were very likely rejected before they lowered requirements (e.g. you just met Eagle's new min when you started this thread). Hell, get some of the heroes here to walk your resume in AGAIN.
4. It may not be healthy to languish in the cold for too long. GO SOUTH, even if just for 1 or 2 months. What do I mean? Lots of flight schools are hurting for CFI's, go teach at a BUSY place--they may not expect anyone to stay long anyway (likewise, you cannot count on a regional job until you have an ACTUAL CLASS DATE in writing), so just be straight up with prospective flight schools. Call up your old school in Orlando, whatever...tell them you will work days, nights, weekends. 90hrs may take a long time in the winter at KCAK--not so at a busy school in better wx.
5. Really, if it is not family or something else that makes it impossible to go south, do execute #4 above. It ain't going to cost that much: Line up a job in FL first. Fly out there with a $10/$20/$30 ticket on Skybus (you are only a short drive from CMH). Live frugally on your CFI hourly pay. Go home when you have logged whatever you consider is enough hours. You may not have any money left over, but you shouldn't need to dig into savings for this temporary move/job.
6. If you have family responsibilities, etc. then concentrate on #1, 2, & 3 above.
 
Re: RJ course or 100 hours? Dreadful wx, lacking students

EAA said:
Folks here have great experience to share. We all appreciate & learn from the input so far.

Marine,
Getting back to your original point, some guys may not understand your predicament in regards to instructing in NE Ohio, winter upon you...
Whereas paying students used to be plentiful during better weather, now there is just that dreadful wait in the cold/low ceiling/ice before the next hour can be logged (who knows how long it takes before another guy finally walks in needing a BFR)...
This may or may not be your situation, but I am not sure everyone here can see that, such excruciating condition may drag on for next ~4 months.:(
FatBastard have a point: IF you can get GI Bill or whatever Fed$ to pay for a $3K RJ course, I wouldn't hold it against you. I don't mind paying taxes to support my fellow vets.

More importantly, try to:
1. Stay focused & motivated: Refresh IFR stuff while waiting; read up on jet systems, etc. to be a step ahead; take your ATP written.
2. Keep actively applying to other regionals (which you are probably doing).
3. Re-apply to those such as Eagle (which you are probably NOT doing yet). Bear in mind that you were very likely rejected before they lowered requirements (e.g. you just met Eagle's new min when you started this thread). Hell, get some of the heroes here to walk your resume in AGAIN.
4. It may not be healthy to languish in the cold for too long. GO SOUTH, even if just for 1 or 2 months. What do I mean? Lots of flight schools are hurting for CFI's, go teach at a BUSY place--they may not expect anyone to stay long anyway (likewise, you cannot count on a regional job until you have an ACTUAL CLASS DATE in writing), so just be straight up with prospective flight schools. Call up your old school in Orlando, whatever...tell them you will work days, nights, weekends. 90hrs may take a long time in the winter at KCAK--not so at a busy school in better wx.
5. Really, if it is not family or something else that makes it impossible to go south, do execute #4 above. It ain't going to cost that much: Line up a job in FL first. Fly out there with a $10/$20/$30 ticket on Skybus (you are only a short drive from CMH). Live frugally on your CFI hourly pay. Go home when you have logged whatever you consider is enough hours. You may not have any money left over, but you shouldn't need to dig into savings for this temporary move/job.
6. If you have family responsibilities, etc. then concentrate on #1, 2, & 3 above.
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Some EXCELLENT points EAA. I am from FL and my family (except the fiancee) are all still there. We have discussed possibly doing this for a few months. Also, where do they give an RJ course that the VA pays for anyways? Thats a good idea as well. Totally forgot about my benefits :banghead:. Like I said, all very good ideas and points, hopefully they will help someone else as much as they all have in some way helped me.
 
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