RJ course or 100 hours?

I'm not buying 100 hours folks! I'm a current CFI who flies OFTEN in IMC here in OH and does an real approach down to fairly near mins at least 3 times a week. It's either CFI some more or do the RJ thing. I did ALL of my training in the Orlando class B and Sandford and Indianapolis class C airports, I like flying into and feel comfortable in them. Now, I fly everyday in the KCAK class C as Tracy knows. All I meant was should I instruct the rest of the time or pay for the RJ. I'll stick to instructing. I like instructing, I just don't care for the place. :banghead: :crazy:
 
TheOneMarine said:
I'm not buying 100 hours folks! I'm a current CFI who flies OFTEN in IMC here in OH and does an real approach down to fairly near mins at least 3 times a week. It's either CFI some more or do the RJ thing. I did ALL of my training in the Orlando class B and Sandford and Indianapolis class C airports, I like flying into and feel comfortable in them. Now, I fly everyday in the KCAK class C as Tracy knows. All I meant was should I instruct the rest of the time or pay for the RJ. I'll stick to instructing. I like instructing, I just don't care for the place. :banghead: :crazy:
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If you're already instructing, then definitely keep doing that. Better to be paid to fly than the other way around.
 
wheelsup said:
Let's think about this for a second:

90 hours x $60/hr (we'll assume cheapo 152) = $5400

It'll take you, what, 2 weeks to do that flying?
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Whoa...unless you're a bird, that's a hell of a lot of flying to do in 2 weeks there bud. Might take the very agressive person a month. That's what an airline schedule is blocked to. Try about 3 months for an average/agressive person.
 
CaptBdoubleU said:
Whoa...unless you're a bird, that's a hell of a lot of flying to do in 2 weeks there bud. Might take the very agressive person a month. That's what an airline schedule is blocked to. Try about 3 months for an average/agressive person.
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Really? If I had the $$, and needed to fly 90 hours, you'd bet I'd be flying every day, all day. 90 hours/14 days = 7 hours/day. Not totally out of the question IMO. I had stretches as a CFI where I flew more than that, and I didn't set the schedule.

TheOneMarine said:
I'm not buying 100 hours folks!
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Ah, so you're right! I jumped on the bandwagon. Anyway, interchange the cessna math with an RJ course math. I bet it'll be similar. Anyway, good on you for staying the course - your pocketbook will thank you :).
 
Yeah, I really want to. I was signed off before but I never got to take the checkride. I'm pretty sure all I would need would be a few flights and ground lessons to be ready again. With finals and graduation coming up I'm not sure if I will have the time to complete it before the end of the year though (which I would like to do) so, we'll see.
 
I made it through training on the CRJ without one of those courses just fine. They are a COMPLETE waste of money. Everything that they want you to know they will teach you in ground school and the sim. I am very glad that I instructed and gained some real world experience instead of forking out $6k for one of those hand holding courses.
 
SmoothLanderJ said:
Yeah, I really want to. I was signed off before but I never got to take the checkride. I'm pretty sure all I would need would be a few flights and ground lessons to be ready again. With finals and graduation coming up I'm not sure if I will have the time to complete it before the end of the year though (which I would like to do) so, we'll see.
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Hey dude, what flight school do you go to in Orlando? PM me.
 
Monty said:
I made it through training on the CRJ without one of those courses just fine. They are a COMPLETE waste of money. Everything that they want you to know they will teach you in ground school and the sim. I am very glad that I instructed and gained some real world experience instead of forking out $6k for one of those hand holding courses.
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I made through as well without completing an RJ course. However I disagree that they are a COMPLETE waste of money. Here is why...

A good RJ/CRM course introduces you too:

- CRM techniques
- 121 ops
- standard callouts
- weather flying (really bad wx)
- handling emergencies

Just to name a few. Now, let me also add this very important piece of information...

An RJ course is not worth $6,000!!!!

The important items I mentioned above and be done accomplished in a cheap two place FTD without all the fancy gizmos. If anyone wants a leg up on going to training find a local FBO who does a CRM course in a twin trainer or find a 121/135 pilot that will put you through the paces in an FTD.

Have someone teach you the basics and core concepts of CRM and the 121 world in an FTD that you are familiar with. You will save yourself thousands of dollars and a headache of learning a new airplane at the same time.
 
killbilly said:
If I had the money burning a hole in my pocket where you are, I'd go rent a plane and get some serious practice in actual IMC doing holds and approaches and getting sharp on my IFR skills. Maybe see if a local CFI can put you through an "IFR boot camp" and really nail down those skills. Just a thought.
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:yeahthat:

Oh yeah...get your CFI too:)
 
CaptBdoubleU said:
Whoa...unless you're a bird, that's a hell of a lot of flying to do in 2 weeks there bud. Might take the very agressive person a month. That's what an airline schedule is blocked to. Try about 3 months for an average/agressive person.
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Its not all that hard. Ive done 90 hours in two weeks flight instructing, its only 7 hours a day.
 
TheOneMarine said:
I'm not buying 100 hours folks! I'm a current CFI who flies OFTEN in IMC here in OH and does an real approach down to fairly near mins at least 3 times a week. It's either CFI some more or do the RJ thing. I did ALL of my training in the Orlando class B and Sandford and Indianapolis class C airports, I like flying into and feel comfortable in them. Now, I fly everyday in the KCAK class C as Tracy knows. All I meant was should I instruct the rest of the time or pay for the RJ. I'll stick to instructing. I like instructing, I just don't care for the place. :banghead: :crazy:
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My bad - I got the impression you were looking to spend some money - re-reading the OP I don't know why I had that impression. Sorry.
 
I want to amend my previous statement: I want to do an RJ course BUT will never pay 6 grand to do it. Now if my future employer wants to spend that money fine. Perhaps if it comes with the job (ALA ATP CFIs) but that is iffy as well.
 
"now you bitch about a program designed to make them a better FO...I just don't get it."

RJ courses don't make you a better F/O. For one, they make the odds better that you won't fail out of 121 ground school. My take on that is 121 ground school can be a way to weed out some of those who maybe shouldn't be in the profession to begin with. It's not all that hard if you pay attention and have a good attitude. The other thing is, the RJ sim time will give you a good introduction to an RJ sim. That's great. Better chance you'll get through the sim. But, trust me, that won't make you a better F/O. The more experience a guy has as a pilot, the better F/O he'll make.
 
"Because of the washout rates everyone is noting, including recruiters I met at JC, I personally want to do an RJ course."

Perhaps we are getting somewhere with the low time argument, now. If washout rates are high with "low timers", then perhaps we should raise the bar with experience levels rather than introduce a crutch into the system which doesn't produce a better pilot but simply helps them get through 121 initial....
 
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