Republic Hires 430 Hr Pilot!
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bdhill1979
Gone West
I have to say seeing people getting jobs with such little time out of atp makes me want to just drop the $45k and go there. If I wasn't such a frugal person I would do it tomorrow
It has nothing to do with ATP, 430-600 hour pilots are getting hired no matter how much they spent on their training.
igneous
Well-Known Member
Well yeah, but I mean taking a fast track is so tempting to someone who is thinking about becoming a pilot.
bdhill1979
Gone West
What fast track? if you have the motivation and a good instructor you can get all your ratings done in 90 days just about anywhere.Well yeah, but I mean taking a fast track is so tempting to someone who is thinking about becoming a pilot.
igneous
Well-Known Member
With almost 200 hrs multi? That seems to be a big factor when trying to get hired, but I don't know everything about the process.
bdhill1979
Gone West
I dont know everything either (far from it), but look at the hiring minimums out there for regionals and right now none of them require 200ME. Most are 50/100 ME. Some are as low as a wet CMEL ticket (and a pulse as some have noted). Most are so desperate for pilots right now it doesn't matter much. Right now it is not the big academy that is getting you hired at low times, it is the dire straights that airline staffing departments find themselves in.
Don't take this as ATP (or big academy)bashing, it isn't. I have flown with some instructors that came through that program and they were very good. For some people ATP is the best option (no schools or good instructors in the local area), but the concept that you will get hired "FASTER", or will be so much more competitive is a marketing myth.
Goonie
Never say die
:yeahthat:
dont let any school out there tell you that "if you come here then you will get hired faster than if you go anywhere else." or "we produce the best pilots out there".
Its all smoke and mirrors!
Take if from a chief pilot of a JC advertiser (Skymates).....We will NOT get you a job at the airlines any faster than Bob's flight school in Gallup New Mexico.
Two keys to quality flight training:
1. you
2. a good flight instructor
easy as that.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
A check airman, yes. A line CA, no. It's a) not his job and b) he hasn't had the specific training to teach new FOs. His job is to act as PIC of the aircraft, not teach tricks to make flying it easier. Sure, some guys might have some neat little things they've learned over the course of flying the airplane, but they're not falling down on the job if they don't show it to you. After being signed off from IOE, it's up to the FO to apply the knowledge he should already have in his bag of tricks to operate the aircraft safely without input from the CA.
We've got a LOT of line CAs here that came from Gulfstream, and NEVER CFIed. Now they're being thrust into the position of part time instructor without even the barest HINT or experience in teaching people. Imagine taking a CSEL pilot and just giving him PPL students without training him on how to teach. That's essentially what we're dealing with here.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
From the ALPA Code of Ethics:
An Air Line Pilot will accept the responsibilities as well as the rewards of command and will at all times so conduct himself both on duty and off as to instill and merit the confidence and respect of his crew, his fellow employees, and his associates within the profession.
An Air Line Pilot will accept the responsibilities as well as the rewards of command and will at all times so conduct himself both on duty and off as to instill and merit the confidence and respect of his crew, his fellow employees, and his associates within the profession.
- He will know and understand the duties of each member of his crew. If in command, he will be firm but fair, explicit yet tolerant of deviations that do not affect the safe and orderly completion of the flight. He will be efficient yet relaxed, so that the duties of the crew may be carried out in a harmonious manner.
- If in command, he will expect efficient performance of each crew member’s duties, yet he will overlook small discrepancies and refrain from unnecessary and destructive criticism, so that the crew member will retain his self-respect and cooperative attitude. A frank discussion of minor matters of technique and performance after the flight will create goodwill and a desire to be helpful, whereas sharp criticism and peremptory orders at the moment will result only in the breakdown of morale and an inefficient, halting performance of future duties.
- An Air Line Pilot will remember that his is a profession heavily dependent on training during regular operations and, if in command, will afford his flight crew members every reasonable opportunity, consistent with safety and efficiency, to learn and practice. He will endeavor to instill in his crew a sense of pride and responsibility. In making reports on the work and conduct of his crew members, he will avoid personal prejudices, make his reports factual and his criticisms constructive so that actions taken as a result of his reports will improve the knowledge and skill of his crew members, rather than bring discredit, endanger their livelihood, and threaten their standing in the profession.
Trip7
Well-Known Member
I just finished reading this entire thread..man am I exhausted now..specially since I took the IFR and CFII writtens today. Reading this entire thread sure was more tiring but *way* more fun
I wish I had some to add but I really don't. Maybe in a few years I will be able to post an interesting opinion in this thread...for now I will keep reading and reading...and learning!
Does anyone know why God "gave" us two ears and one mouth? Anyone? 777forever?
I DON'T appreciate you calling me out but you know what, you choose not to say anything because you don't know much. Good choice if you don't want to sound foolish. While I may be a young pilot, I talk with pilots in the industry regularly and have done enough research to where I believe I can post an interesting opinion. If I looked around and saw that nobody agreed with me then I would start listening. Why am I getting PMs from people telling me to keep it up and I have the right attitude? Why am I getting the support of another 121 pilot on this thread? Why when we ask questions about experience all they respond with is theories on "decision-making" and silly examples like 240kts on downwind? I mean, ok lets go practice not going 240knts on downwind in a 150 or seminole. Ask us about experience levels, we give facts. Ask the opposing opinion, they give theories based on old school thinking. As long as I keep getting support I will keep voicing my opinions strongly. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because most pilot on this forum think this way that its the majority opinion in the real world. Thanks to all who PMed me with kind words of support.:nana2:
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You ain't the only one gettin' PM's there, kid.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Trip7
Well-Known Member
did I say I was? Just making a point that Im not the only one with my opinion for those telling me to shut up(CaptainEvegwhatever)
You keep talking about other 121 pilots telling you different things, but might it be possible you are only willing to listen to those who support your point of view? Plenty of experienced 121 pilots HERE are telling you valuable information you are CHOOSING to ignore. Why? Because you don't agree.
You have to ask yourself, what makes all those other 121 pilots you choose to listen to any more special than the guys on this forum? I'm not even arguing who's right or wrong - it just might be wise to consider an opposing view.
Airdale
Well-Known Member
Its good that you do your research and talk to 121 pilots. Its also a good thing to have pride in you school, ATP. I'm an ATP grad and former instructor myself, and I do have much support for ATP. I remember when I was half way through my training, and when I was a CFI at ATP, I thought I had valid opinions and views on low time guys, experience etc. etc. That being said.....
You have no idea what you're in for at an Airline. I *thought* that ATP was the best school to prepare me for an airline job and that I'd have an edge in training. I also thought that all that multi engine training was invaluable, that it was gold. Let me tell you, I wasn't 100% correct.
I flew my first sim session last night in training. All of those multi engine procedures, all that stuff ATP markets...doesn't mean squat. Flying the Beech 1900, you would think all of those things you did in the Seminole would apply - wrong. Its a completely different ball game. Mixtures-Props-Throttles FWD, yeah write that down and throw it away. Doesn't apply anymore. NDB approaches? Guess what, you need to know how to do them as well as NDB holds. I remember ATP telling me "You'll never use NDB's." Yeah, then why the heck do I have to do NDB holds and approaches?
Every step of the journey, I thought I had it figured out. I thought that I had enough experience, enough time etc. Yet with every step I take forward, I realize how wrong I was the step before. I can't say whether more flight time would make training easier or not. But one thing I can definitely say, is that when you think you have it all figured out in aviation, you're completely wrong.
Don't take my post as being an attack on you, BUT, maybe you should just focus on getting your flight time, experience and ratings (if you're still working on them) rather then debate the fact that you *think* you have it figured out. If I knew then, what I know now, I'd of kept my mouth shut. I'm just trying to stay in the seat of the sim, rather then hanging on the back of it. And thats just a sim.
aloft
New Member
I have to ask why 777forever seems to so desperately need approval from 121 pilots? Sack up and choose your own path, man; who cares what anyone else thinks? I've listened to both sides of this debate, and made my own decision as to what I'm going to do personally, and gosh golly gee, that's good enough for me. No need to get signoff or criticism from everyone else and their dog. As far as voicing opinions, let's face it: everyone has one, and most of 'em are wrong.
bwade210
New Member
I remember when I had all the answers. That was pretty cool.
:yup: One of the best ever....