Republic E190 runway incursion LAX

Have you figured out all that Qfe, Qnh and Qfu yet?

I ended up hijacking one of them "oh crap we might be going to russia in 2 months" CBTs that the company sends about every 2 years. Made my head spin. :panic:
 
It's not that bad.

Basically Qfe is what AA used to use. In a super-basic sense, an altimeter setting which is going to how you height above touchdown during the approach, like a poor man's radar altimeter.

Qnh is basically altimeter setting like we use here in the states. Instead of saying "Altimeter 29.90" like we do here, on arrival into Edinburgh, they'll say "Dell-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-ta Zeben Wun, q'YOOOOOOO en hay'ch two 9-er~~~~ 9-er~~~~ 9-er~~~~ Zee ROH"

(I used the tilde's '~' to try to simulate rolling the consonants).

Qfu, no clue.
 
It was actually more of a "I totally forgot about this CBT that I'm in my grace month and if it doesn't get done they will write a nastygram in my file, dequal me, and send me to the southern hub of purgatory, and I just left for a 9 day canoeing trip that will be until the end of the month. HEEEEELLLLP!!!!"

So I learned all about leading edge anti icing systems, the fuel system, and how to fly in Motha Russia.

Qfu was one of the three multiple choice options that I just HAD to click because it made me laugh so hard. Then it goes back to the page, hilights the answer in the text, and asks you "do you really want to choose Qfu;););)"
 
The biggest part for flying into Moscow in an aircraft that doesn't have a metric swap for the altimeter is.... metrics.

You reach a point where you leave RVSM airspace flying east and then enter the nether-regions of Eurocontrol where you transition to "meters". So you'll be cruising along at FL330 and then when you transition, they'll say "climb an maintain FL 110 meters standard" or something like that. Then they'll descend you through the flight levels using meters, and to add insult to injury, when you're on the arrival and beneath the transition level, they'll say "descend and maintain 800 meters, altimeter 1019"... Then you've got to request QNH because they've probably just given you QFE which will leave you in a world of hurt if you don't convert it.

You'll be converting every altitude from cruise, to intermediate altitudes, all the way down to the approach.

And there's not a lot of reliable radar coverage so tell your dad to be ready to give position reports.
 
Airdale said:
Give me a break. Thats the most ridiculous thing I've read on here in ages. The 190 isn't that much bigger than a 175...not like its an Airbus or something. Sorry you didn't decide to go work for Republic.

My guess is they were unfamiliar with the airport. We just recently started servicing that airport. Either way, it was a close call and we all should pay closer attention on the ground.
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Jeez man....I'm pretty sure he was joking. You Republic guys are sensitive lately. :D
 
I'm not sorry I didn't go to Republic.

Does that make everyone in this thread feel a little less testy or do we just have to break out with "Rock, Papers, Scissors"?
 
Gonzo said:
So does anyone want to talk about the incursion. Like I said I can see this happening on the north side. I hate being on the roll on 24L at the same time someone is landing on 24R. That being said it looks like it happened on the south side. I would like more info like did it happen at Tango.
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I know they've got the taxiway in between the south side runways now--which makes it a lot less likely to happen than on the north side--but there's still high-speed exits that are a straight shot from a 25L exit to 25R crossing (H9-T, H6-M). I think that this is the first such incident since H opened? I guess it's still possible to screw up.
 
I can't even imagine not looking both sides of a runway when I'm crossing. Keep in mind that these pilots had more than 30,000 hours combined. Maybe by that point you're more complacent. I've JS on a couple of flights where the gray haired CA hit the wrong button on the fms or missed something, so I'm not surprised that these things still happen. We should all keep a good eye on each other!
 
Airdale said:
Give me a break. Thats the most ridiculous thing I've read on here in ages. The 190 isn't that much bigger than a 175...not like its an Airbus or something. Sorry you didn't decide to go work for Republic.

My guess is they were unfamiliar with the airport. We just recently started servicing that airport. Either way, it was a close call and we all should pay closer attention on the ground.
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Settle down, Beavis. He's joking. You need a vacation, man.

Never too early to start booking for NetJC '10. :)
 
Firebird2XC said:
Settle down, Beavis. He's joking. You need a vacation, man.

Never too early to start booking for NetJC '10. :)
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He's sick 'n tired of being sick 'n tired, man! :)

Personally, I find when there's a number of hot topics to wade through on the forums, a delicious beer helps.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Correct.

LAX can be somewhat of a challenge if you don't prepare yourself, but let's not fool ourselves thinking it's Moscow-Sheremetyevo.
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UUEE...that's easy. Roll out and main taxiway 2 (if you are going to SVO2) back up to the gates. Flying out here is pretty easy once you get the hang of it. Qfe makes a bunch of sense if you think about. When you touch down...it reads 0. :)

Now come visit UUDD. Little more complicated of a place. We have two runways, links to the gate area, H1 and H2 crossing points, and again three main taxiways...yada yada yada.

No matter where we all fly always use caution. I was in Brussels last week and that is also a complicated place. Especially if you land on one side and have to park on the other side at the other end. Go slow, brief your taxi, and if unsure...STOP and ask. Ground controllers have a job and that to direct traffic on the ground. They can do a great job of progressive taxi as well.

Fly safe everyone.
 
wheelsup said:
In my professional opinion it happened because they weren't used to operating such a big aircraft.
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I'm having a hard time deciding what's funnier, your post or the reactions. I think I'll go with your post, thanks man, you made my day. :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
The biggest part for flying into Moscow in an aircraft that doesn't have a metric swap for the altimeter is.... metrics.

You reach a point where you leave RVSM airspace flying east and then enter the nether-regions of Eurocontrol where you transition to "meters". So you'll be cruising along at FL330 and then when you transition, they'll say "climb an maintain FL 110 meters standard" or something like that. Then they'll descend you through the flight levels using meters, and to add insult to injury, when you're on the arrival and beneath the transition level, they'll say "descend and maintain 800 meters, altimeter 1019"... Then you've got to request QNH because they've probably just given you QFE which will leave you in a world of hurt if you don't convert it.

You'll be converting every altitude from cruise, to intermediate altitudes, all the way down to the approach.

And there's not a lot of reliable radar coverage so tell your dad to be ready to give position reports.
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Add China to that list too--it drives me nuts. China is now RVSM though...
 
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