Regional FO's to majors

I just wish FE time counted; lets punish the dude who had the hardest job. Getting hired at Pinnacle at 300 hour doesn't help me either.
 
Mark,
What do you say to those at Virgin and JetBlue, which have an arguably better "agreement" then us?

In 2010, neither had ALPA on deck, and if I recall rejected a union drive.

You mistake my critical thinking, for anti-unionism.
 
Mark,
What do you say to those at Virgin and JetBlue, which have an arguably better "agreement" then us?

In 2010, neither had ALPA on deck, and if I recall rejected a union drive.

You mistake my critical thinking, for anti-unionism.

I would say that Spirit does have a better overall agreement than JetBlue and Virgin. Pay rates aren't everything.

I mistake nothing. Do you think that you would be given four days off and the transition conflict because Ben and those in management are nice guys? Or do they do it because the ALPA contract (and subsequent arbitration) says they have to?

Also, are you backing the PAC?
 
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Mark,
What do you say to those at Virgin and JetBlue, which have an arguably better "agreement" then us?

In 2010, neither had ALPA on deck, and if I recall rejected a union drive.

You mistake my critical thinking, for anti-unionism.

You're anti-ALPA and on property at an ALPA shop?!? ALPA is why we have what we have. Don't forget that!

We do have a good group...but it sounds as though you're a sponge, not a contributor.
 
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You're anti-ALPA and on property at an ALPA shop?!? ALPA is why we have what we have. Don't forget that!

We do have a good group...but it sounds as though you're a sponge, not a contributor.
I'm not anti ALPA.
I'm anti @Seggy blind-fully trying to force feed everyone ALPA kool-aid.

If I contribute anything to our shop like I did to my previous one, we'll be better off.
 
I'm not anti ALPA.
I'm anti @Seggy blind-fully trying to force feed everyone ALPA kool-aid.

If I contribute anything to our shop like I did to my previous one, we'll be better off.

Not for nothing, because volunteers are great to have...but holy cow, this sounds ridiculously arrogant coming from a FNG. How about you make it off probation without a hitch before you dazzle us with your skills?

Perhaps I'm reading too much into what you said, I hope I am. But can see how I would come to the conclusion I did?
 
I'm not anti ALPA.
I'm anti @Seggy blind-fully trying to force feed everyone ALPA kool-aid.

If I contribute anything to our shop like I did to my previous one, we'll be better off.

ALPA isn't perfect, however, answer these questions and stop trying to beat around the bush here. Do you think that you would be given four days off and the transition conflict because Ben and those in management are nice guys? Or do they do it because the ALPA contract (and subsequent arbitration) says they have to?

No kool-aid, just the facts.
 
You're asking a leading question.

Of course we have good stuff in our contract that 99% of our group wants to hang on too.

You are insinuating that only ALPA came up with that. No my friend. A very smart negotiating committee did. If not, the several thousand other card carrying members would enjoy that benefit.
I have a very strong feeling no matter who represented the group during the strike, the outcome would be extremely similar.
 
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You're asking a leading question. Of course we have good stuff in our contract that 99% of our group wants to hang on too. You are insinuating that only ALPA came up with that. No my friend. A very smart negotiating committee did. If not, the several thousand other card carrying members would enjoy that benefit. I have a very strong feeling no matter who represented the group during the strike, the outcome would be extremely similar.

The ignorance is astonishing.
 
You're asking a leading question.

Of course we have good stuff in our contract that 99% of our group wants to hang on too.

You are insinuating that only ALPA came up with that. No my friend. A very smart negotiating committee did. If not, the several thousand other card carrying members would enjoy that benefit.
I have a very strong feeling no matter who represented the group during the strike, the outcome would be extremely similar.

The negotiating committee, ok, who are they acting on behalf on? The pilots represented under ALPA, correct? Who then fought to uphold those provisions? Who supplied the lawyer?
 
On a serious note, I really like where I work. My QOL is awesome. And so are my coworkers (so they say), which says something. @Eagle421flyer might know something about that.

I agree co-workers are great and my qol is pretty good. That being said we have a long way to go for that "career gold." Wait until something happens and you use our crappy short/long term disability, not sure what is worse dealing with the outsourced company or my own. It took me almost a month of calling a few times a week just to get my vacation paid out, is embarrassingly sad when my regional was better at communicating than where I am now.
 
ALPA isn't perfect, however, answer these questions and stop trying to beat around the bush here. Do you think that you would be given four days off and the transition conflict because Ben and those in management are nice guys? Or do they do it because the ALPA contract (and subsequent arbitration) says they have to?

No kool-aid, just the facts.

How did this become another ALPA thread?
 
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