Reduced crew

bike21 said:
Too bad the Soviets didn't land on the moon first...
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Maybe we need China to start talking about sending a man to Mars.

I think it’s a sad state of affairs when Elon is going to do it for fun instead of us as a species wanting to accomplish it collectively.
 
Wardogg said:
Maybe we need China to start talking about sending a man to Mars.

I think it’s a sad state of affairs when Elon is going to do it for fun instead of us as a species wanting to accomplish it collectively.
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I don’t see the usefulness of going to the moon or Mars. What have we gained from it? The inventions that came from getting us there could have been made a lot cheaper than the Apollo program.
 
tcco94 said:
I always get a chuckle out of the fact corporations are in a rush to get rid of humans doing work for the bottom line. At the end of the day what will be our purpose in the world then? I don’t feel as fearful for my job going single or zero pilot anytime soon.
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I think at this point it's mostly mask off that they don't really care. Whatever is good for them and the other rich shareholders is all they really care about. Look at most products now, even brands that used to be known for making a quality product. They don't care about that anymore. They get bought up by private equity, make a crap product that doesn't last, and basically go "• you, what are you gonna do about it?" before they drive the company into the ground and move onto the next one.
tcco94 said:
Maybe I’m wrong. Out of my control anyways so I don’t stress about it. Kind of silly in my opinion to say you picked an industry to work in because of single and zero pilot scenarios, lol.
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That's basically where I'm at, a sort of resigned zen mode that if it's going to happen it's going to happen. Everyone I know outside of aviation has either some accounting or computer centric IT job. That stuff will be replaced by AI long before we are.
 
tlove482 said:
The inventions that came from getting us there could have been made a lot cheaper than the Apollo program.
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NovemberEcho said:
But when?
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We're better off for having done it, overall. I'm still a fan of manned spaceflight and manned space exploration for in the end, only another human being can really convey results in human terms to other humans. And in going to the Moon we learned about ourselves and how humans can safely operate complicated systems (computers plus aerospace) in complex environments.

Specific to Apollo: I think it's telling that we cancelled the balance of the flights once it was really determined there wasn't much "there" on the Moon.

JordanD said:
They get bought up by private equity, make a crap product that doesn't last, and basically go "• you, what are you gonna do about it?" before they drive the company into the ground and move onto the next one.
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The destruction of Panera, and the upcoming destruction of Jersey Mike's, etc.
 
Space exploration for its own sake is cool I guess. What irritates me is the grandiose fantasy that we have a remote chance of an expanse-style space borne society any time before ecological collapse kneecaps our ability to do things that big. We’re several orders of magnitude of technological breakthroughs away from that, let alone terraforming another celestial body.
 
Roger Roger said:
Space exploration for its own sake is cool I guess. What irritates me is the grandiose fantasy that we have a remote chance of an expanse-style space borne society any time before ecological collapse kneecaps our ability to do things that big. We’re several orders of magnitude of technological breakthroughs away from that, let alone terraforming another celestial body.
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Many folks that work in the space/science/exploration realm are actively against human exploration citing costs and that the dollars could be better spent on sending probes and robots afar. While I don't disagree and certainly respect their opinion, human exploration is still important in my view.

We are of course a looooong ways from anything near Expanse but I say we plod on. Best thing of course, would be learning to stop fighting each other have no more defense spending. But alas...
 
I think it’s cool that we are still receiving signals and data from the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 probes, both launched in 1977. V1 is roughly 15 billion miles from earth, and V2 about 12 billion miles.
 
MikeD said:
I think it’s cool that we are still receiving signals and data from the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 probes, both launched in 1977. V1 is roughly 15 billion miles from earth, and V2 about 12 billion miles.
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Those are incredibly cool. If weren't Sagan's and other's push those might've never launched.
 
bike21 said:
Those are incredibly cool. If weren't Sagan's and other's push those might've never launched.
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I read once that it takes about 24-ish hours to send a message one way to or from Voyager 1. The fact that both are transmitting still, with V1 using backup/secondary transmitters, is a testament to their outstanding build quality. I’d love to see what data they are transmitting. They’ve paid for themselves many times over. Very cool.😎
 
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