Real V1 Cuts

[charlie1017]

Starting at 2:30 in the video...

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Bear in mind that this is a real 747-400. Is this practiced in real heavy jets here in the US as well?

 

[minitour]

Not sure about heavy stuff, but I've been given a few in light jets on checkrides in the plane. Knock on wood...nothing for real yet.

-mini

 

[jhugz]

Pretty Hard-Core...not as Hard-Core as those white gloves though. Where can I get a pair?

 

[SFCC/UND]

Pretty Hard-Core...not as Hard-Core as those white gloves though. Where can I get a pair?

I think mostly because they don't want to spread germs. Also women dig white gloves.

 

[KLB]

I've been given simulated V1 Cuts after takeoff in real plane. They usually pull an engine to idle on take off as the gear is coming up. From looking at that video, it looked pretty uneventful compared to what I've gone through in the sim and in the airplane on the simulated V1s given!

 

[TXaviator]

I think mostly because they don't want to spread germs. Also women dig white gloves.

you know who ELSE wore a white glove...

 

[derg]

Most of my Asiana Airline students wore nomex gloves.

 

[Baronman]

Different situation as well as it's a 4-engine jet. I'd be interested to see if they do it as well on a 777 or 767.

Remember 4- engine jets can be ferried on 3 engines, the plane is empty as well. An empty twin jet will climb alright on 1 engine but there just isn't that much wiggle room in terms of performance as when you have 3 out of 4 operating.

 

[minitour]

Remember 4- engine jets can be ferried on 3 engines...

I believe there's at least one 4 "round" engine type out there that can be ferried on 3 engines also. I've heard stories. Sounds freakin cool, if ya ask me.

-mini

 

[dasleben]

One regional airline based in the south used to take new pilots out and practice V1 cuts in the real plane before IOE. They don't do it anymore.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

The only transport category aircraft I have ever done a simulated V1 cut in the real airplane is the Saab.

Also the 727 is approved for 2 engine ferry.

I would imagine that most US carriers don't practice them in real aicraft because of the cost involved. Sim are cheaper to operate.

 

[minitour]

One regional airline based in the south used to take new pilots out and practice V1 cuts in the real plane before IOE. They don't do it anymore.

I have to wonder why the PIC wasn't guarding the rudders and blocking the right one so the left one couldn't be shoved to the floor.

I had to give one to my new FO (for insurance) and you better believe I was guarding the rudders and the yoke the whole time. Just like any other instruction to a multi-engine student, when you're doing single engine work you block the wrong rudder pedal.

-mini

 

[Polar742]

I have a friend that flies contract in Japan. He explained that the white gloves are a cultural thing, as he had the option to wear them also (chose not too).

I had simulated V1 cuts in the E145, because when it was new, you couldn't get sim time for PCs. It was a briefed item, so we didn't recreate a certain situation. I'd imagine in a 747, you'd well brief it too, because if you lose an outboard, it's a foot full of rudder (at least in the sim) almost to the point of a tprop V1 cut.

I think this is common practice at the Japanese carriers.

And to answer the OP's question, I don't know of any US operators that do that in the 747.

 

[BobDDuck]

The only fatality we've had at the airline I'm at was with a crew practicing V1 cuts in the Jball. They continued to do them in the actual plane through the EMB120 and the Dork. We don't do any "in aircraft" training in the CRJ.

It's nice to know that despite the language difference, pilot gestures are universal. (see the first few seconds of the video during the ready room briefing)

 

[Polar742]

Oh yeah, I think it costs my company about 5k/hour in costs to run a jet.

The sims are around 700/hr, if I remember right.

 

[jml2992]

The best part about the white gloves is that they continue to wear them even after they are beyond sanitary. I've had a couple of trainees that suffered from "stinky glove syndrome" and I made sure that they were replaced before we departed on the next mission. Unfortunately, the bonanzas and barons aren't all air-conditioned and a fella can get awful hot in the middle of July in Bakersfield. It's good to see what these guys are capable of by the time they leave basic flight training.

 

[Orange Anchor]

Where did the title 'Blue on Blue' come from?

Last V1 cuts I did in real airplane were in the Nihon YS-11 and new 737-200s.

 

[Polar742]

Where did the title 'Blue on Blue' come from?

Maybe the ANA light blue and dark blue stripe???

Last V1 cuts I did in real airplane were in the Nihon YS-11 and new 737-200s.

Trim it to 1000....

I would hate to really lose one in a loaded YS-11. I just shuddered typing that.

 

[PeterPilot]

Pretty Hard-Core...not as Hard-Core as those white gloves though. Where can I get a pair?

You need the glasses too in order to make the image complete.

 

[SIUav8er]

I have done v1 cuts in a citation II. of course we were empty with half fuel (2500 lbs). wasnt too bad, just use the rudder and then get the AP on at around 500 feet or so. Of course the II is way underpowered.. so it doesnt even take all that rudder input to keep it tracking straight, especially when compared to doing engine cuts in a Barron or 310 lol. I guess all my MEI time is what made me feel more comfortable with them.