QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines

knot4u said:
If you want to condone the use of psychotropic drugs rather than trying to figure out what's wrong I'd suggest the next time you have a toothache you take some aspirin rather than actually seeing a dentist. It's just treating the symptom and not getting to the root of the problem. But I suggest you do whatever you like.
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Apparently, you don't know what psychotherapy the likes of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) is. It is absolutely the psychological process of trying to figure out the whole question of why and the how behind behaviors i.e. what's wrong. Why do I do this? Why do I think like this? How can I stop? And learn how to better work/cope through past things like trauma, etc. One does CBT with a trained therapist/psychologist, its talk therapy. A psychologist isn't licensed to give psychotropic drugs, except in New Mexico. So, going to see a therapist/psychologist is definitely like going to a dentist about tooth pain, vs. simply taking an aspirin.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
Apparently, you don't know what psychotherapy the likes of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) is. It is absolutely the psychological process of trying to figure out the whole question of why and the how behind behaviors i.e. what's wrong. Why do I do this? Why do I think like this? How can I stop? And learn how to better work/cope through past things like trauma, etc. One does CBT with a trained therapist/psychologist, its talk therapy. A psychologist isn't licensed to give psychotropic drugs, except in New Mexico. So, going to see a therapist/psychologist is definitely like going to a dentist about tooth pain, vs. simply taking an aspirin.
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Glad to see you post, Max.

Voice of reason.
 
derg said:
Again, I am not NOT form810.
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Maximilian_Jenius said:
Apparently, you don't know what psychotherapy the likes of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) is. It is absolutely the psychological process of trying to figure out the whole question of why and the how behind behaviors i.e. what's wrong. Why do I do this? Why do I think like this? How can I stop? And learn how to better work/cope through past things like trauma, etc. One does CBT with a trained therapist/psychologist, its talk therapy. A psychologist isn't licensed to give psychotropic drugs, except in New Mexico. So, going to see a therapist/psychologist is definitely like going to a dentist about tooth pain, vs. simply taking an aspirin.
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Welcome aboard, we’re glad you’re here today!!
 
MikeD said:
Sometimes you just gotta laugh at the insanity of a situation. 20 years ago, I’m getting set up for a bomb pass on a ground combat situation going on below in southern Iraq. Dust and sand all around in the air. Am in a turn trying to match what I’m seeing on the ground with what’s plotted on my map of friendly and enemy locations, prior to rolling into a dive pass. I notice gunfire tracers low and in my peripheral vision, two corkscrew smoke trails and the MANPAD rocket exhaust go right past my canopy a few feet away, along with a bunch of tracers now tracking. My wingman, in trail, keys up and says “hey lead, you’re being shot at”. Oh you think? Thanks for telling me chit I already know now. An earlier heads up would’ve been nice! Just had to chuckle at that moment in time, since I was pretty much a duck in a shooting gallery to those down below……picturing myself as the duck in that carnival game that moves along from side to side as the person with the air rifle tries to knock it over and win the prize. I’m actually that! Since there isn’t really jack i can do about it right now besides keep the jet moving and hope they don’t learn proper lead-aiming, or start shooting higher quality SAMs at us. Just had to let out a laugh of insanity, because that was the description of the entire situation. Didn’t reach the stage of pulling both my fire T-handles though. 😂
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This is why @MikeD is the best poster here at the JetCareers application. People be talking about relatively dry topics - a Horizon jumpseater trying to kill 80+ people because of depression, 'shrooms, or combo and Mike weighs in with "...well, there I was, I was about to roll into a bomb run in a B-58 to drop a nuke on Moscow and the flight attendant had a chipped tooth which made the...you know...uncomfortable..." and yet it all works within the context. Serious post here - y'all need to appreciate that.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
Apparently, you don't know what psychotherapy the likes of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) is. It is absolutely the psychological process of trying to figure out the whole question of why and the how behind behaviors i.e. what's wrong. Why do I do this? Why do I think like this? How can I stop? And learn how to better work/cope through past things like trauma, etc. One does CBT with a trained therapist/psychologist, its talk therapy. A psychologist isn't licensed to give psychotropic drugs, except in New Mexico. So, going to see a therapist/psychologist is definitely like going to a dentist about tooth pain, vs. simply taking an aspirin.
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I agree, I hope you notice I never discounted the value of trying to figure things out by talking with a qualified person. My point was the drugs seem as if they're being handed out like candy (timely reference) and they seem like magic. Suddenly the patient feels great, and then they figure they're cured so they stop taking the drugs, perhaps unbeknownst to them the chemistry in their brain has been changed. Why is it that the overwhelming majority of recent mass shooters follow that pattern? My brother had issues, the drugs made him feel better so he stopped taking them. Next thing I know my dads widow is knocking at my gate to tell me he killed himself. If rather than just prescribing these drugs the doctors would've actually taken the time to talk to him to get to the root of the problem maybe things would be different. Your experience is with people from all walks of life that have done things that led them to be incarcerated and they're forced to get dirty with their demons. My brother probably talked to a doctor two or three times and was given a script and told we'll see you again in three months and just went on with his life, except he didn't. I want you to know I believe in what you do, I have very little faith in the care available to the general public. Real life is not Good Will Hunting.
 
knot4u said:
I agree, I hope you notice I never discounted the value of trying to figure things out by talking with a qualified person. My point was the drugs seem as if they're being handed out like candy (timely reference) and they seem like magic. Suddenly the patient feels great, and then they figure they're cured so they stop taking the drugs, perhaps unbeknownst to them the chemistry in their brain has been changed. Why is it that the overwhelming majority of recent mass shooters follow that pattern? My brother had issues, the drugs made him feel better so he stopped taking them. Next thing I know my dads widow is knocking at my gate to tell me he killed himself. If rather than just prescribing these drugs the doctors would've actually taken the time to talk to him to get to the root of the problem maybe things would be different. Your experience is with people from all walks of life that have done things that led them to be incarcerated and they're forced to get dirty with their demons. My brother probably talked to a doctor two or three times and was given a script and told we'll see you again in three months and just went on with his life, except he didn't. I want you to know I believe in what you do, I have very little faith in the care available to the general public. Real life is not Good Will Hunting.
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In a previous post in this thread, I think that I said that full treatment isn't just strictly medication. It's a two fer of medication management to help regulate either the low/high dosage of neurotransmitters in the brain. Then its recommended, but not mandatory that they seek treatment with a therapist/psychologist to learn/recognize coping skills. I work in acute involuntary treatment, where we get patients on 5150 holds for observation now called COE (Court Order Evaluation). If after 72 hrs. it's deemed, that they require a higher level of care, they're petitioned and put on COT (Court Order Treatment), where we can force meds on them involuntarily. They HAVE to take their meds inside our hospital, or out. If they're SMI (Severely Mentally ill) then they have a clinic and a case worker who checks up on them weekly. And they have to attend meeting at their clinic and come in for regular checkups and also receive their monthly 28 day long-acting shot. Failure to do that and a warrant is put out for their arrest and they brought back to anyone of the level 1 acute care hospitals in the valley (not jail) to have meds forced on them. Most stop treatment immediately after discharge, miss an appointment and they always come back. Good for business, but bad for them. The revolving door of forced treatment becomes their life. I've been in the biz for 15 years, its new faces every week but a lot of old faces, its sad, really.

In our setting we're just about shocking the brain back to normal with a regimen of meds. Again, we don't offer counseling. We have a guy in our care right now. He was an artist a painter. The meds make him numb, he can't paint, has no creativity on the meds. So, he gets off of them. Then the police pick him up because he's walking down Van Buren butt ass naked high on meth. Same thing with this 28 yr. old kid, a pianist who's schizophrenic. He can't play the piano on the meds, so he stops just so he can feel again. And he's also frequently back. For others the guys mostly they're unable to get an erection on the meds and the want to have sex with their spouse, or anyone and not be limp all the time. So, they get of the meds get on Crytal meth and f-k without abandon and they're out in the world out of control acting like A Beautiful Mind. There's LOTS of reasons why they get off of their meds, most often its meth, because it makes them feel more alive, than their meds do. I am sorry to hear about your brother though, that was sad to read.

Anyways I don't want to get this thread further off the tracks with psych stuff. So back to shrooms I guess.
 
Maximilian_Jenius said:
In a previous post in this thread, I think that I said that full treatment isn't just strictly medication. It's a two fer of medication management to help regulate either the low/high dosage of neurotransmitters in the brain. Then its recommended, but not mandatory that they seek treatment with a therapist/psychologist to learn/recognize coping skills. I work in acute involuntary treatment, where we get patients on 5150 holds for observation now called COE (Court Order Evaluation). If after 72 hrs. it's deemed, that they require a higher level of care, they're petitioned and put on COT (Court Order Treatment), where we can force meds on them involuntarily. They HAVE to take their meds inside our hospital, or out. If they're SMI (Severely Mentally ill) then they have a clinic and a case worker who checks up on them weekly. And they have to attend meeting at their clinic and come in for regular checkups and also receive their monthly 28 day long-acting shot. Failure to do that and a warrant is put out for their arrest and they brought back to anyone of the level 1 acute care hospitals in the valley (not jail) to have meds forced on them. Most stop treatment immediately after discharge, miss an appointment and they always come back. Good for business, but bad for them. The revolving door of forced treatment becomes their life. I've been in the biz for 15 years, its new faces every week but a lot of old faces, its sad, really.

In our setting we're just about shocking the brain back to normal with a regimen of meds. Again, we don't offer counseling. We have a guy in our care right now. He was an artist a painter. The meds make him numb, he can't paint, has no creativity on the meds. So, he gets off of them. Then the police pick him up because he's walking down Van Buren butt ass naked high on meth. Same thing with this 28 yr. old kid, a pianist who's schizophrenic. He can't play the piano on the meds, so he stops just so he can feel again. And he's also frequently back. For others the guys mostly they're unable to get an erection on the meds and the want to have sex with their spouse, or anyone and not be limp all the time. So, they get of the meds get on Crytal meth and f-k without abandon and they're out in the world out of control acting like A Beautiful Mind. There's LOTS of reasons why they get off of their meds, most often its meth, because it makes them feel more alive, than their meds do. I am sorry to hear about your brother though, that was sad to read.

Anyways I don't want to get this thread further off the tracks with psych stuff. So back to shrooms I guess.
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I do find it interesting that a ton of psychotic episodes and/or manifestation of serious psychological issues in males happens around 17-19 years of age. That would correlate (which is NOT causation) to the first time that some individuals have relatively "easy" access to harsher "recreational pharmaceuticals", that is, stuff other than your typical California ditch weed.

I watched a kid that fit the stereotype perfectly. Good smart kid, pianist (coincidence), honor student, etc. First semester in school and blammo, he can't even care for himself now. Just like that (snaps fingers). The theory was that he got ahold of something bad and had a reaction to it, but of course no one would fess up.

Stands to reason if he got ahold of it, others did as well, but didn't have the same reaction. Almost acts like a near fatal allergic reaction.

My working theory is that there is some kind of latent genetic disposition to certain forms of hallucinogens. Think of it as a psychophysiological circuit breaker (and not those little 1/2 amp ones, like the big honking 150 amp Airbus variety). As long as the individual steers clear, they'll be fine. But if they run across them, then the breaker pops, and it's far worse that the typical individual reaction. You could make the argument that the disparity between male and female occurrences is due to the gene sitting on a sex-linked chromosome, like color blindness. The only problem is you can't reset the breaker, maybe it's more like a current limiter/fuse.

As always, I'm talking out of my ass, but I'd be interested in Max's take.
 
Richman said:
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I do find it interesting that a ton of psychotic episodes and/or manifestation of serious psychological issues in males happens around 17-19 years of age. That would correlate (which is NOT causation) to the first time that some individuals have relatively "easy" access to harsher "recreational pharmaceuticals", that is, stuff other than your typical California ditch weed.

I watched a kid that fit the stereotype perfectly. Good smart kid, pianist (coincidence), honor student, etc. First semester in school and blammo, he can't even care for himself now. Just like that (snaps fingers). The theory was that he got ahold of something bad and had a reaction to it, but of course no one would fess up.

Stands to reason if he got ahold of it, others did as well, but didn't have the same reaction. Almost acts like a near fatal allergic reaction.

My working theory is that there is some kind of latent genetic disposition to certain forms of hallucinogens. Think of it as a psychophysiological circuit breaker (and not those little 1/2 amp ones, like the big honking 150 amp Airbus variety). As long as the individual steers clear, they'll be fine. But if they run across them, then the breaker pops, and it's far worse that the typical individual reaction. You could make the argument that the disparity between male and female occurrences is due to the gene sitting on a sex-linked chromosome, like color blindness. The only problem is you can't reset the breaker, maybe it's more like a current limiter/fuse.

As always, I'm talking out of my ass, but I'd be interested in Max's take.
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Brain development is pretty damn complicated and it is still ongoing at that point in life so seems possible.

I think also there is some brain development milestones that happen around then?
 
Roger Roger said:
Brain development is pretty damn complicated and it is still ongoing at that point in life so seems possible.

I think also there is some brain development milestones that happen around then?
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I'd actually would chase it down in journals, but looking at 100s of entries where the end of the story is behind a paywall isn't how I like to spend my weekend. I'd just as soon hit the easy button and pester Max about it.
 
Richman said:
Deviation from thread drift is not approved at this time....

I do find it interesting that a ton of psychotic episodes and/or manifestation of serious psychological issues in males happens around 17-19 years of age. That would correlate (which is NOT causation) to the first time that some individuals have relatively "easy" access to harsher "recreational pharmaceuticals", that is, stuff other than your typical California ditch weed.

I watched a kid that fit the stereotype perfectly. Good smart kid, pianist (coincidence), honor student, etc. First semester in school and blammo, he can't even care for himself now. Just like that (snaps fingers). The theory was that he got ahold of something bad and had a reaction to it, but of course no one would fess up.

Stands to reason if he got ahold of it, others did as well, but didn't have the same reaction. Almost acts like a near fatal allergic reaction.

My working theory is that there is some kind of latent genetic disposition to certain forms of hallucinogens. Think of it as a psychophysiological circuit breaker (and not those little 1/2 amp ones, like the big honking 150 amp Airbus variety). As long as the individual steers clear, they'll be fine. But if they run across them, then the breaker pops, and it's far worse that the typical individual reaction. You could make the argument that the disparity between male and female occurrences is due to the gene sitting on a sex-linked chromosome, like color blindness. The only problem is you can't reset the breaker, maybe it's more like a current limiter/fuse.

As always, I'm talking out of my ass, but I'd be interested in Max's take.
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Nah. Sounds like what I saw in college a lot. The sheltered kids that weren’t allowed to make their own decisions growing up can’t hack it on their own and fail out in the first year.
 
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