QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines

Screaming_Emu said:
I think religion is a cancer that needs removed from society. None the less, congrats on becoming the fourth person on my ignore list. You’re irritating, but at least you’re long winded when you do s
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form810 said:
Thanks, Bob. Your considered responses and insights are always deeply appreciated.

I understand that trust still exists at a micro level. I HAVE experienced that kind of trust. I do, still, experience that level of trust. If I had not, I would not be able to recognize the value of such, and to evangelize for the value of such.

I'm just saying that person-to-person trust at that micro level is NOT sufficient. Trust at that level must be so profound and assumed as ooze into and suffuse the entire culture. We must have a general sense that we are all pulling on the same rope in the same direction.

Sadly, trust at the personal level is, more often than not, predicated on tribal affiliation. The idea that WE trust one another based on our commonly understood fight against THEM. WE share a mission that no one else understands. WE, therefore are important.

Alignment of force is the key to any successful organization; from a sports team or platoon, to a company, to a nation, to a planet-sustaining global civilization. WE must educate to align all of OUR efforts toward what serves ALL of us; In such a way that I can trust somebody I've never met to have my best interests in mind in the same fashion that I have his best interests in mind. There is no US. There is no THEM. There is just OUR common goal.

In our current world "we" are rapidly. intentionally being directed into devolving into a humanity of distrust and hate. A humanity of "Fruit YOU! I've got mine!"

That will NOT end well. It never has. We have AMPLE historical evidence for that statement. Some will say, "well, yeah, that's just how it has always been". Well, for most of human history, it had always been that we moved around the world -not too far- by walking. I'm NOT a believer in how it always HAS been. I'm a believer in progress. I believe we CAN improve. We CAN do better. I have trust in that. I have faith in that.

The problem now is that "WE' peasants are intentionally being seduced into building almost ALL of our human systems based upon a false religion of selfish opportunism. We are intentionally and systematically being enticed to assume that ME matters, that GREED is good, and that therefore, we peasants must of course distrust and hate each other, and especially hate "those others". WE are being incited to hate "the other".

I'd argue that, instead of allowing a few rich folks to inculcate all of us poor people with the idea that getting and hoarding is the goal of a human life, we might much better teach the people of the world to trust each other in the same way we trust a sibling or a battle buddy. WE might do well to support EACH OTHER in pursuit of what what we all NEED, and give up believing in the futille fantasies of those who try to convince us to WANT, and to WANT, and to WANT...

Needs can be met. Wants are insatiable; that's their whole point.

Ultimately, we are ALL on the same side. We ALL live downwind and downstream of ALL the rest of us. There IS no hiding, regardless of how many energy chits (currency) one has collected.

We ALL live on a small, vulnerable, living and life-giving chunk of rock in the midst of an infinite, cold, harsh, empty place. We were, by most origin stories, given divine powers. I suggest we stop fighting, pooping where we eat, and putting ALL of us -and other species- at existential risk. Rather, let US assume a more appropriate manifestation of our god-like nature. If we don't, we're just neo-post monkeys hoarding Ferraris instead of bananas. And, if that's the case, we deserve just what we get.

Yet, if we don't change our ways... If we don't assume our divine nature... If we don't act smart... We will still be guilty of the murder of billions and the murder of many, many other species, many of which we haven't even bothered to discover yet as, instead, the super wealthy spend OUR money trying to flee US for the "freedom" of Mars.
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Bit too much to drink this evening to respond properly but we are generally on the same page. Maybe more of a cognizant response on the morrow.
 
Bob Ridpath said:
If this helps, it was a good response and thoughtful.
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While I appreciate your insight, it's not your job to apologize for the vacuity and egoism of others. As discussed in my post, those are symptoms of a disease those folks don't even know exists, let alone that they might be infected with it.
 
form810 said:
While I appreciate your insight, it's not your job to apologize for the vacuity and egoism of others. As discussed in my post, those are symptoms of a disease those folks don't even know exists, let alone that they might be infected with it.
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Goddamnit, don't assume why or how I respond. Not an apology for anyone and can be interpreted far differently. If I wasn't clear, let me know but please don't assume motive or intention.

I, others ... you ... generally respond as we view things through the lens of our own perspective and understanding. Sometimes accurate, sometimes not, you (nor I) are not immune to that reality.

I appreciate your writing and, being retired I suppose, have plenty of time to mull over your posts. I don't get the tl;dr stuff but also would personally prefer a good read to a short video at any given time🤷‍♂️ I'm a dinosaur on the way out.

Anyway, I, apologize for my own gaffes or misunderstandings, not for others - although I might respond with my own feelings in a larger conversation.

Agree or disagree, the conversation is the important thing which, I think, we have somehow lost these days.

I would happily share a drink and dinner with you and any member of this board should it ever be possible; political affiliation and differences be damned, I'll bet we could find some common ground and have a fine time together.
 
scooter2525 said:
Those books are interesting, factual, helpful, and understandable.

Your posts? Well..
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Nah... You are the one feigning and dissimulating. And, you know that.

If you don't LIKE what I have to say, you can just say that!

Better yet, THINK about and ARGUE a cogent, articulate counterpoint.

Don't just dismiss with your empty meme quips. Many of you just don't care about and don't want to think about, well, much of ANYTHING that doesn't get you paid.

Even if you ever did read any of those "books", you very most likely did that ONLY because - maybe - you had to in order to make some money.

If you really did care, I apologize. Though, I sincerely doubt I need to that.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMq2Bxoq2Xg&list=PLnif9Rfb5AdkCHdqVzbu0DVFowyLTBz0J&index=3
 
form810 said:
Hey! You replied to the short version. And you agreed with the basic premise. The fact that a mere 73 words induced your need to pound sand, take your toys and go home... Well, might be a good reason to go seek some professional help, yeah?

You wouldn't want to end up the next jump-seater to overreact to the effects of a non-real, personal-jeebus interpretation of reality. None of us would want that.
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Dude, you're starting to annoy even me.
 
Acrofox said:
Dude, you're starting to annoy even me.
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Good. It's working. The first step on the road to recovery.

Or is that, in 'Murica, when one shoots back (or just shoots for no reason at all, or jumps to the fire bottles -except due to a drinking "disease") that's MANLY and STUDLY, but when one rationally responds with words of reason and logic, that's wimpy and annoying?

Live Smart... Or Die. New NH plate.
 
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form810 said:
Nah... You are the one feigning and dissimulating. And, you know that.

If you don't LIKE what I have to say, you can just say that!

Better yet, THINK about and ARGUE a cogent, articulate counterpoint.

Don't just dismiss with your empty meme quips. Many of you just don't care about and don't want to think about, well, much of ANYTHING that doesn't get you paid.

Even if you ever did read any of those "books", you very most likely did that ONLY because - maybe - you had to in order to make some money.

If you really did care, I apologize. Though, I sincerely doubt I need to that.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMq2Bxoq2Xg&list=PLnif9Rfb5AdkCHdqVzbu0DVFowyLTBz0J&index=3
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form810 said:
Good. It's working. The first step on the road to recovery.

Or is that, in 'Murica, when one shoots back (or just shoots for no reason at all, or jumps to the fire bottles -except due to a drinking "disease") that's MANLY and STUDLY, but when one rationally responds with words of reason and logic, that's wimpy and annoying?

Live Smart... Or Die. New NH plate.
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Hey, @Acrofox and anyone else, that last line was meant as a general statement. It was NOT meant in ANY threatening fashion. Just wanted to be clear for anybody who has issues with comprehension. I know things are getting a little frisky these days, so one has to watch one's words. Especially when teaching at the Zoolander Skül For Kids Who Don't Even Want To Try To Read Good.
 
It’s unfortunate that reports of the Germanwings 9525 failed to differentiate between mild/clinical depression and psychotic depression.

The former has strong links to suicide and almost no link to homicide. The later includes hallucinatory or schizophrenic behavior with strong links to homicidal behavior. The fact that both share the word depression will continue to plague pilots with depression.

Also, the FAA has created an insane criteria for depression history or depression. Suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are deal breakers. Okay, I can accept the latter. The former is a nutty criteria that ignores the nature of depression. Most suicidal folks with depression want to stop being a burden to friends and family, not just end their own suffering. Among these folks, suicide is not a selfish act, they usually are quite empathetic to how others are suffering from proximity to depression.

Heck, there’s a good number of us that have had suicidal ideation in our lifetimes despite good mental health. Let’s not talk about that.
 
knot4u said:
How about we figure out what's wrong before we put a band-aid on it?
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Assuming this isn’t a rhetorical question, mental health professionals can never assume there will be a next appointment.

A good diagnosis often takes time, health care professionals would agree that band-aids are often used to address mental health emergencies.

Beyond that, long term use of medications have saved lives, families, and careers.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
It’s unfortunate that reports of the Germanwings 9525 failed to differentiate between mild/clinical depression and psychotic depression.

The former has strong links to suicide and almost no link to homicide. The later includes hallucinatory or schizophrenic behavior with strong links to homicidal behavior. The fact that both share the word depression will continue to plague pilots with depression.

Also, the FAA has created an insane criteria for depression history or depression. Suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are deal breakers. Okay, I can accept the latter. The former is a nutty criteria that ignores the nature of depression. Most suicidal folks with depression want to stop being a burden to friends and family, not just end their own suffering. Among these folks, suicide is not a selfish act, they usually are quite empathetic to how others are suffering from proximity to depression.

Heck, there’s a good number of us that have had suicidal ideation in our lifetimes despite good mental health. Let’s not talk about that.
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I think my instant Admiral Ackbar reaction to this summarizes everyone wrong with Aeromedical....
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Also, the FAA has created an insane criteria for depression history or depression. Suicidal ideation or suicide attempts are deal breakers. Okay, I can accept the latter. The former is a nutty criteria that ignores the nature of depression. Most suicidal folks with depression want to stop being a burden to friends and family, not just end their own suffering. Among these folks, suicide is not a selfish act, they usually are quite empathetic to how others are suffering from proximity to depression.
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I’ve been reading the various writings of Ken White (former Federal prosecutor and now criminal defense attorney, and sometimes radio guest and now podcaster and once a Republican so everyone remain calm) for almost two decades now. Ken is very open about his major depression and his anxiety, viz.:

Happy To Be Here | Popehat

The first thing you need to know about secure psychiatric facilities is that their bathrooms smell strongly of pee. That may not seem remarkable to you. Many bathrooms smell of pee. But the facility in which I was a guest this time last year was notably immaculate in every other way. A lot of time
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His writing is pretty eye-opening.

If we can ‘fix’ drug and alcohol problems via HIMS to the FAA’s and carriers’ satisfaction, I don’t see why there aren’t other, perhaps gentler, interventions realistically available for pilot mental health—other than the regulator’s utter unwillingness to see how ineffective the current regime is and putting some marginal effort into fixing a system that serves neither those working in the system nor the revenue public it is supposed to protect. It’s gotta be better.
 
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