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j19369

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Hi guys, I am planning on attending UVSC this fall and getting my BS in Aviation on campus not online. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the classes and the flight training provided on campus? Do they provide any help with job placements in the airlines after graduating? Would I be able to take 1 or 2 classes online aswell as take classes on campus? And finally I know it is something like $130 per hour for the classes but what is the price of the actual flight training for a non resident? Any help with this would be amazing! thanks

Johnny
 
I only took some inet classes at UVSC but I can say that it is a very good school all the way around as they helped me out when I was in a bind with classes!
 
j19369 said:
Hi guys, I am planning on attending UVSC this fall and getting my BS in Aviation on campus not online.
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Going to aviation classes on campus is a complete and total waste of time. Go to campus to get your generals and meet chicks, but get the aviation stuff online.

j19369 said:
I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the classes and the flight training provided on campus?
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Plenty of experience, the two instructors I had there were top notch, I would reccomend them to anyone.

However the management is inept, and it will effect your training.

I was told that I could get all of my ratings done there in a year. I took out the loan, got my PPL, then waited 8 months for an Instrument instructor. The people responsible for scheduling would not return phone calls or emails, and when you go to the facility they were not there. The school never gave me an Instrument Instructor, I had to start asking around and found one. He got in some serious trouble for taking me on as a student.

Then once my Instrument rating was done, I was told that they would call me about my commercial instructor. I had my checkride scheduled through another flight school by the time they called me (about 4 months later), and that instructor, the ink was still wet on his CFI ticket.

Bottom line, I was treated like I did not matter to them. My money was in their accont and I was paying interest on it while they had me sit on my hands. I was a paying customer and they treated me like they were doing me favor by taking my money. Then to top it off I had to fight with them to get my money out of the account and transfer it to another school.

j19369 said:
Do they provide any help with job placements in the airlines after graduating?
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They will tell you that they will, but only you can get yourself a job.

j19369 said:
what is the price of the actual flight training for a non resident?
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The per hour cost is no different for residents or non res.

Its average, DA20's are about $85 and hour, $35 for instructor. But there are much better flight schools in the area that cost exactly the same. Flight schools that treat you like your success is important to them.

UVSC aviation is not what it used to be; Dr. Smart (the guy that built the program) was forced out over budget nonsense a few years ago, and the current director (while a nice guy) has no idea how to run a flight school.

I would stay away from UVSC aviation entirely (except the online).
 
IWExcelsiorE said:
It's funny cause I am looking at UVSC as well!
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Dont get me wrong, the Online program for the degree is great.

But flying in Utah through UVSC, while you will still earn your ratings; you can get a MUCH BETTER instructional program in the exact same equipment, for the exact same price. Without dealing with the personality cult that runs the place.
 
bdhill1979 said:
Dont get me wrong, the Online program for the degree is great.

But flying in Utah through UVSC, while you will still earn your ratings; you can get a MUCH BETTER instructional program in the exact same equipment, for the exact same price. Without dealing with the personality cult that runs the place.
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Personality cult? What kind? Uh oh, is it another ERAU-Prescott?
 
IWExcelsiorE said:
Personality cult? What kind? Uh oh, is it another ERAU-Prescott?
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It is more like a cult of micromanagement, you cant do anything without the permission of bunch of different people that are "in charge".

Example: Say you want to go build some cross country time over the weekend: taking a plane for the weekend requires permission from your instructor, the instructors supervisor, the chief flight instructor, the director of this , the director of that (not sure of thier titles), and the flight school director.

Good luck getting all of them because those people are rarely there at the same time.

Because of the micromanagement mentality I had not less than 10 cancellations in a three month period, because my instructor had to attend "safety meetings", in which all of the instructors would have to sit there and get lectured on something most of them already knew, but one or two people were boneheads and so everybody had to be chastised. Every one of these instructors had to attend, and cancel on the students they had scheduled.

Because of this and a multitude of other BS I was able to fly about 1 out of every four times that I was scheduled. I recieved approx 17 hours of instruction in a three month period for my instrument rating, and this had nothing to do with my instructors willingness to fly or mine. We would show up and be told that we couldn't fly for some of the stupidest reasons imaginable.

Now I am flying out of the airport just down the road, and fly as much as I want. The only cancellations I have had have been because of bad weather. If I want to take a plane for a weekend or even a week, I just schedule it, I dont need "Approval". In the three months that I have been at this new school I have logged about three times as many hours as I logged at UVSC in a years time. The people running this school have been flight instructing for 35 plus years and it is thier life.

Honestly I would not consider moving to Utah just to attend UVSC flight training, you can do flight training anywhere and get your Aviation Science degree online, for exactly the same price.

Going through UVSC would take twice as long (if not longer) and it easily cost me an additional $2000 just in interest on my student loan, not to mention a years worth of wages and seniority if I ever go to an airline.
 
bdhill1979 said:
It is more like a cult of micromanagement, you cant do anything without the permission of bunch of different people that are "in charge".

Example: Say you want to go build some cross country time over the weekend: taking a plane for the weekend requires permission from your instructor, the instructors supervisor, the chief flight instructor, the director of this , the director of that (not sure of thier titles), and the flight school director.

Good luck getting all of them because those people are rarely there at the same time.

Because of the micromanagement mentality I had not less than 10 cancellations in a three month period, because my instructor had to attend "safety meetings", in which all of the instructors would have to sit there and get lectured on something most of them already knew, but one or two people were boneheads and so everybody had to be chastised. Every one of these instructors had to attend, and cancel on the students they had scheduled.

Because of this and a multitude of other BS I was able to fly about 1 out of every four times that I was scheduled. I recieved approx 17 hours of instruction in a three month period for my instrument rating, and this had nothing to do with my instructors willingness to fly or mine. We would show up and be told that we couldn't fly for some of the stupidest reasons imaginable.

Now I am flying out of the airport just down the road, and fly as much as I want. The only cancellations I have had have been because of bad weather. If I want to take a plane for a weekend or even a week, I just schedule it, I dont need "Approval". In the three months that I have been at this new school I have logged about three times as many hours as I logged at UVSC in a years time. The people running this school have been flight instructing for 35 plus years and it is thier life.

Honestly I would not consider moving to Utah just to attend UVSC flight training, you can do flight training anywhere and get your Aviation Science degree online, for exactly the same price.

Going through UVSC would take twice as long (if not longer) and it easily cost me an additional $2000 just in interest on my student loan, not to mention a years worth of wages and seniority if I ever go to an airline.
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Good grief......
 
bdhill1979 said:
Yeah, there are definately worse situations out there, but I couldn't just sit on my hands and wait who knows how long between ratings, and having those ratings take much longer than is really necessary; I have a family to provide for.
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but see, UVSC seems like the only option for me right now...
 
IWExcelsiorE said:
but see, UVSC seems like the only option for me right now...
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You mean flying in out of Provo, UT (KPVU) with UVSC?

Or the Online?

The two are completely seperate.

UVSC global aviation online is fantastic, if you want an aviation degree it is definately the way to go.

If you are going to be in Utah Valley to fly there are MUCH better options available.
 
Regarding the online program...

Does UVSC accept CLEP testing/credit toward the online aviation degree?
 
I agree with BDhill, I also was flying with UVSC for a short time. The Private pilot was going ok but my instructor kept calling at last minute to reschedule. Other students and CFIs were constantly complaining about not getting enough multi engine time and trouble getting IFR. Now I fly and train as often as I like flying twice a day with a FBO.

If you make the switch to a FBO or already planned on doing your flying with someone else other than UVSC - there is another pitfall I learned about the hard way. If you get you actual flying done FIRST then you can apply many of your certificates to your degree. IF you start you classes first at UVSC - they want you to buy their credits for that certificate or rating that you already paid the FBO for. They don't tell you that until they get you to start with them first. When I confronted them on this there financial aid officer told me "I should have asked the right questions" and that "I have to understand that UVSC is in the buisness to sell credits" and "that I will still get a degree but I still have to buy the credits for my certificates. " So if I would have done my flying first with any other school or FBO and then came to UVSC for a degree, they would have just given me credit for all my training and certificates that apply. Not all your certificates appy to the degree but they don't tell you that either untill after they talk you in to paying for them with them.

No I don't trust UVSC but Global Aviation online program is a great way to do your academics with out the hassels of actual class time. Good Luck and make sure you ask the right questions.
 
killbilly said:
Regarding the online program...

Does UVSC accept CLEP testing/credit toward the online aviation degree?
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I'm not certain whether or not those count, but I should think that if you recieved college credit for it, it will count towards something.

It may just count for general credits, but you need a slug of those anyway.


Flyboy 4 said:
I agree with BDhill, I also was flying with UVSC for a short time. The Private pilot was going ok but my instructor kept calling at last minute to reschedule. Other students and CFIs were constantly complaining about not getting enough multi engine time and trouble getting IFR. Now I fly and train as often as I like flying twice a day with a FBO.

If you make the switch to a FBO or already planned on doing your flying with someone else other than UVSC - there is another pitfall I learned about the hard way. If you get you actual flying done FIRST then you can apply many of your certificates to your degree. IF you start you classes first at UVSC - they want you to buy their credits for that certificate or rating that you already paid the FBO for. They don't tell you that until they get you to start with them first. When I confronted them on this there financial aid officer told me "I should have asked the right questions" and that "I have to understand that UVSC is in the buisness to sell credits" and "that I will still get a degree but I still have to buy the credits for my certificates. " So if I would have done my flying first with any other school or FBO and then came to UVSC for a degree, they would have just given me credit for all my training and certificates that apply. Not all your certificates appy to the degree but they don't tell you that either untill after they talk you in to paying for them with them.

No I don't trust UVSC but Global Aviation online program is a great way to do your academics with out the hassels of actual class time. Good Luck and make sure you ask the right questions.
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Definately get the certificate or rating before applying for the credit.

If you have completed the PPL, IR, CSEL, CMEL, CFI, CFII, MEI it is an instant 32-36 credit hours
 
"It is more like a cult of micromanagement, you cant do anything without the permission of bunch of different people that are "in charge".


-- Sounds like another fine institution in Utah... guess some people just feel the need to have a higher authority...
Is UVSC flight program part 141? How much do the new diamond twinstars rent for?
 
I have my own questions...

I already have an A.S. Liberal Arts degree (not too useful), but am thinking of getting a four year at UVSC online. I think I already have most of the 'general' degree requirements, so I think I only need the flight stuff.

I am primarily interested in this because I think it will be A.) The best and most affordable way get financing for my flying and B.) the fastest way to finish up my damned four year degree.

Any suggestions? Is it relatively easy to set up enrollment and everything at UVSC Global Aviation? I think financial aid (like Pell) will cover the actual costs of the school stuff. How realistic is it to fly or instruct fulltime and work on the aviation classes online (how long does it take).

Will they accept my damn credits? Of course, if not, I'm not going to waste my time.
 
JDMcFly said:
I have my own questions...

I already have an A.S. Liberal Arts degree (not too useful), but am thinking of getting a four year at UVSC online. I think I already have most of the 'general' degree requirements, so I think I only need the flight stuff.

I am primarily interested in this because I think it will be A.) The best and most affordable way get financing for my flying and B.) the fastest way to finish up my damned four year degree.

Any suggestions? Is it relatively easy to set up enrollment and everything at UVSC Global Aviation? I think financial aid (like Pell) will cover the actual costs of the school stuff. How realistic is it to fly or instruct fulltime and work on the aviation classes online (how long does it take).

Will they accept my damn credits? Of course, if not, I'm not going to waste my time.
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I just started UVSC again.

As long as your degree is from a regionally accredited college, you should have no problem transferring your degree, and that will take out all of your gen ed requirements (except history for some strange reason).

I work full time + flight instruct + have a wife and 3 kids... so I would think as long as you set aside time for class and homework you'll be fine on time. I only take 6-8 credits a semester to keep the time I need down.

You'll be able to get all of the traditional financing and everything. You would be eligible for "alternative loans" for you flight training as well. But I already had all of my rating before I started here (I transferred in an AS in Aviation Science) so I'm not 100% sure on how the flight training financing goes.
 
BTW...

UVSC is Becoming UVU (Utah Valley University) in June 2008. So they will have Master's Programs available after you complete your BS Degree.

I personally hope they have an online MBA...
 
I attended UVSC for a year and received 40units towards my BS and then took a break and I'm planning on going to ATP then getting back on to finish up after training... Overall UVSC is a great college. :)
 
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