Question for Hotdog on a stick pilots

[JordanD]

Can't speak to 121, but I agree with respect to professional flying I have done. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. On the subject of light GA flying, let's just say my most recent GA landing was not my best

I always think about renting a plane with a CFI for an hour to "capture some of the magic back", but then I just think about how much it costs now and get cold feet.

 

[///AMG]

I always think about renting a plane with a CFI for an hour to "capture some of the magic back", but then I just think about how much it costs now and get cold feet.

Haha yeah the prices are insanity these days. What I remember is well sub $100/wet for anything that wasn't high performance/twin/special. That is not the case today (at least around here). This happened to be in my dad's Bonanza. It was the first time he ever let me land it, after being his autopilot for 20+ years. As we were putting it back in the hangar, he told me to "go ahead and log 7 landings for that one". It was a full stop landing....luckily for me, KEUG has a pretty long runway now

 

[JordanD]

Haha yeah the prices are insanity these days. What I remember is well sub $100/wet for anything that wasn't high performance/twin/special. That is not the case today (at least around here). This happened to be in my dad's Bonanza. It was the first time he ever let me land it, after being his autopilot for 20+ years. As we were putting it back in the hangar, he told me to "go ahead and log 7 landings for that one". It was a full stop landing....luckily for me, KEUG has a pretty long runway now

I'm not even (objectively) old yet and it's insane how much it's gone up since I was learning to fly. It gets kind of depressing because just about every trip someone in the terminal asks me about how I became a pilot and it's hard being so out of touch with what training is like now and also just knowing how insanely expensive it is.
Oddly enough, EUG was where my first leg at the airlines was to. I remember finally making it to the big shiny jet and thinking it was funny I was still having to make CTAF calls the next morning at 5am departing before the tower opened.

 

[BobDDuck]

I swear it didn't take long in the 121 world to forget a lot of the "basics"...

I was just talking to one of my SAR team members who may miss a training tomorrow to do her PPL night XC flight. It took me a few minutes to even visualize how you'd fly a night time, no GPS, no IFR flight.

 

[///AMG]

I'm not even (objectively) old yet and it's insane how much it's gone up since I was learning to fly. It gets kind of depressing because just about every trip someone in the terminal asks me about how I became a pilot and it's hard being so out of touch with what training is like now and also just knowing how insanely expensive it is.
Oddly enough, EUG was where my first leg at the airlines was to. I remember finally making it to the big shiny jet and thinking it was funny I was still having to make CTAF calls the next morning at 5am departing before the tower opened.

Yeah I can't even imagine how prohibitively expensive it is today. I imagine a lot of folks treat it like college with student loans now (at least at the 141 schools)? That is how out of touch I am.

I did my ATP pre-check sims with an old retired UAL CA who had spent many years as an FE and FO on the 727. That was our ride out of EUG back in the 80's/90's (think we started getting jurassic 73s in the early/mid 90s, around the time Morris Air planted their flag). You (and others who flew there) may be familiar with the Valley River Inn. My folks and I would normally go there for breakfast on Saturdays, and I remember all the UAL crews there in the lobby each time. Anyway, I asked if he had been to EUG and he said "of course" and I mentioned the hotel and he said he had been many times. Same timeframe as when I was a kid. Small world. He now pops into part-time "work" in a Mclaren 650 from his house in Denver, so I imagine life has much improved since those FE days

 

[///AMG]

I was just talking to one of my SAR team members who may miss a training tomorrow to do her PPL night XC flight. It took me a few minutes to even visualize how you'd fly a night time, no GPS, no IFR flight.

Haha I did a little bit of night VFR the other night, and it was just barely basic VMC. Maybe not "contact approach" type weather, but it wasn't great. Luckily my landmark recce was better than I would have guessed, in this weird, multi-metro, island heavy, dark hole. Don't think I busted anyone's airspace and I landed.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Haha yeah the prices are insanity these days. What I remember is well sub $100/wet for anything that wasn't high performance/twin/special. That is not the case today (at least around here). This happened to be in my dad's Bonanza. It was the first time he ever let me land it, after being his autopilot for 20+ years. As we were putting it back in the hangar, he told me to "go ahead and log 7 landings for that one". It was a full stop landing....luckily for me, KEUG has a pretty long runway now

I'm not even (objectively) old yet and it's insane how much it's gone up since I was learning to fly. It gets kind of depressing because just about every trip someone in the terminal asks me about how I became a pilot and it's hard being so out of touch with what training is like now and also just knowing how insanely expensive it is.
Oddly enough, EUG was where my first leg at the airlines was to. I remember finally making it to the big shiny jet and thinking it was funny I was still having to make CTAF calls the next morning at 5am departing before the tower opened.

For a G-1000 Cessna 172 here in the valley, it's about $220 an hour. For an older model six pack Cessna it ranges anywhere between $120-155 an hour. About $350 an hour for a Seneca II. $550 an hour in SDL for a 2019/2020 G-1000 Seminole.

Prices are crazy. It's the main reason that I work 70+ hrs. a week. To fly to maintain proficiency/currency. When I'm not saving up for a new rating/cert.

I can't even fathom what prices will be for GA for the next generation of aviators.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

In May of last year I flew a 172 for the first time in 11 years. My stepdaughter who was a CFI at the time took me up. It was an absolute blast. Of course she had some good laughs at my landings. I'd love to fly GA more, but the cost is crazy and I don't think I would fly enough to justify the cost.

 

[web265]

it seem like I should be embarrassed about the mistake,

I don't recall seeing ZFW used anywhere till my first jet type (zero fuel weight, yes, not ZFW), you absolutely shouldn't be embarrassed about it.

Sorry, I was just teasing you Max. I don't think I knew what an aileron was when I was a 451tt CMEL

There ya have it! Sometimes it's hard to get context from, well, text.

Of course she had some good laughs at my landings

My first 172 landing after initial was, um, special. (flared about 20 feet in the air....)

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I joined a flying club last summer. ($80 per hour dry) and it took me 3 flights with a CFI to get the feel back for decent landings. That was 25 years after flying my last single engine airplane.

Everything else came back pretty quickly. It's just so darned SLOW.

Oh... and I'm not flying any highfalutin G1000 Nintendojet 172. I fly the 6 pack like a real man and how god intended.

(But i do confess to using ForeFlight)

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

I joined a flying club last summer. ($80 per hour dry) and it took me 3 flights with a CFI to get the feel back for decent landings. That was 25 years after flying my last single engine airplane.

Everything else came back pretty quickly. It's just so darned SLOW.

Oh... and I'm not flying any highfalutin G1000 Nintendojet 172. I fly the 6 pack like a real man and how god intended.

(But i do confess to using ForeFlight)

Ha! I'll never understand the hate for G-1000. Fundamentally I think that people are very resistant to change. I guess that its like what someone said in another thread here about people saying pay your dues. Which he said really meant. I suffered. Now I want/expect you to suffer the very same as I did.

I consider it as an analogy of turning four quarters into a dollar. You haven't gained, or lost anything in the transition. It's simply a repackaging of a core system in a new visual skin. It gives you same info that a six pack does. Just with different aesthetics.

Also anyone whose going to move up into 121, or corporate having knowledge of glass will be very beneficial. Likewise as someone like myself who is used to FAA plates, will eventually have to transition over to Jeppesen. I still believe that if able a student should start out in a six pack equipped plane as a foundation. Just the very same as they should learn the pain of having to do a paper flight plan, vs using Foreflight. But afterwards the foundation is built, IMO G-100 is fine as a platform for students to learn on.

 

[woodreau]

That is some sticker shock. I had sticker shock when I started flying the Duchess for $150/hr to get my ME time, after years of $70/hr for single engine 172RG complex time.


About 6 months after getting on with my first regional airline, I remember jumping into a 172. So it wasn't that long after leaving GA, so i didn't think too much had changed. I didn't realize that G1000s started making their way into flight schools, and so it was quite a shock to me to see one instead of the familiar 6 pack....

I flew like crap - couldn't hold altitude or airspeed to save my life. I don't ever recall having issues like that in the steam gauge 172, but steam gauges didn't register altitude deviation less than 50 ft or airspeed less than 5kts. the glass panel was unforgiving allowing you to see every foot or knot of deviation.

 

[juxtapilot]

I swear it didn't take long in the 121 world to forget a lot of the "basics", or at least stuff that seemed like a big deal in the GA world that you never have to think about anymore. I legitimately wouldn't trust myself in a 172 right now without some major refreshing.

For real… Looked at getting checked out to fly a rental out here but they don’t allow renters to go IFR without an instructor… I’m like, bro I haven’t flown VFR in 10 years.. that ain’t happening.

 

[mwflyer]

I was just talking to one of my SAR team members who may miss a training tomorrow to do her PPL night XC flight. It took me a few minutes to even visualize how you'd fly a night time, no GPS, no IFR flight.

That’s how I am every time I think about flying with a paper sectional folded on my lap with a written flight log checking my time and fuel as I flew over landmark’s. I still don’t know how I did it.

 

[Roger Roger]

I thought I’d never be one of those guys that was like “ew, no turbine engine, ice protection, TCAS, and autopilot? No thanks” but every year that passes I’m more and more like that. Especially around here.

 

[BobDDuck]

I thought I’d never be one of those guys that was like “ew, no turbine engine, ice protection, TCAS, and autopilot? No thanks” but every year that passes I’m more and more like that. Especially around here.

Air conditioning and a lav.

 

[DE727UPS]

I can deal with a G1000 cause my RedbirdTD2 BATD has it. I flew a 172 having not flown GA in a couple years that had a G3X touch screen instrument panel. I mean, that G3X WAS the instrument panel. My landings did kind of suck but figured out after the 3rd one I was going to fast. The G3X thing? I just told the CFI he needed to work that. He signed me off but I never flew that plane again. It was a flying club. I think I'll just have to buy something of my own. Maybe a Cherokee 140 or a Beech 19 or 23. 172's are too expensive.

 

[Max Power]

Does “Hot Dog on a Stick” even still exist? I remember one in a mall food court growing up, but haven’t seen one in years. Like 20 or more. But I appreciate the reference…

A salty Captain I flew with when this livery came out referred to it as a “flying bowling shoe”.

 

[jtrain609]

Does “Hot Dog on a Stick” even still exist? I remember one in a mall food court growing up, but haven’t seen one in years. Like 20 or more. But I appreciate the reference…

A salty Captain I flew with when this livery came out referred to it as a “flying bowling shoe”.

Since SLC basically lives 20 years in the past, it should be no surprise that there's one at 34th south and 215 in Salt Lake.

 

[Max Power]

For a G-1000 Cessna 172 here in the valley, it's about $220 an hour. For an older model six pack Cessna it ranges anywhere between $120-155 an hour. About $350 an hour for a Seneca II. $550 an hour in SDL for a 2019/2020 G-1000 Seminole.

Prices are crazy. It's the main reason that I work 70+ hrs. a week. To fly to maintain proficiency/currency. When I'm not saving up for a new rating/cert.

I can't even fathom what prices will be for GA for the next generation of aviators.

At the local auto show, a helicopter tour company using Robinsons had an informational display along with an R44. They’ve only been in the Pittsburgh area for a year or so. I talked with one of the pilots to see if they did instruction because I’ve always been curious about getting some rotorcraft time.

$595/hr. He said they were looking to get an R22 which would cut the price in half. I know whirlybirds are expensive but I was stunned at that rate. He said that price is one of the cheapest in the region too.