EatSleepFly
Well-Known Member
Well, for lack of anything better to do, I'm going to beat a dead horse.
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but then again you shouldnt be calling out the 45 unless your relatively close to the airport anyways..
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You sound like you might be one of those people who doesn't make any radio calls until you are right on the 45 about 4 seconds from turning downwind. My point has NOTHING to do with knowing the layout of the airport. You could be 5 miles out on a long 45, or 1/2 mile out on a 45. Which is it?
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Thats why they make terminal charts.. most often they are charted visual checkpoints noted by a FLAG and the name of the checkpoint ie: city hall, etc. Maybe you should take a closer look at your map, especially if your unfamilar with the area!.
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Come on, give me a little more credit than that. My god, I'm not a complete mope. I understand what the little flags mean...my point was that some pilots seem to call over landmarks known to locals.
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First off if they are turning downwind from x-wind you should read your AFD so you roughly know where he is and if they entered midfield for the downwind then they obviously didnt enter on the 45 correctly, either way again if you dont know which side the pattern he is on then maybe you should read your AFD (should state if left or right traffic is standard for airport) and you should have a idea where the 45 is in relation to the pattern being used.
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Again, you completely and totally missed my point. It has nothing to do with knowing the layout of the damn airport- in fact, you could not know one single thing about the layout of the airport and it wouldn't make any difference in regards to what I am trying to say here. "Turning downwind" makes people think of the crosswind-downwind turn, however everyone seems to also say it when they enter on the 45. Not a big deal if you caught all of their previous radio calls (if they made any), but its confusing to a new student soloing.
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Sorry Im going to have to agree with everyone else on this one.. its proper procedure to repeat the airport again in case someone only caught half the transmission dont want to scare someone on final Plus its recommened in the AIM which you should take seriously.
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Notice that I said, "...unless theres a real danger of confusion of airports..." The airport I fly out of is one of only two on the freq. Therefore, its not a huge deal...and the remark I made about the airport name driving me nuts- was half joking because of the number of times they say the airport name in one transmission (3).
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but then again you shouldnt be calling out the 45 unless your relatively close to the airport anyways..
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You sound like you might be one of those people who doesn't make any radio calls until you are right on the 45 about 4 seconds from turning downwind. My point has NOTHING to do with knowing the layout of the airport. You could be 5 miles out on a long 45, or 1/2 mile out on a 45. Which is it?
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Thats why they make terminal charts.. most often they are charted visual checkpoints noted by a FLAG and the name of the checkpoint ie: city hall, etc. Maybe you should take a closer look at your map, especially if your unfamilar with the area!.
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Come on, give me a little more credit than that. My god, I'm not a complete mope. I understand what the little flags mean...my point was that some pilots seem to call over landmarks known to locals.
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First off if they are turning downwind from x-wind you should read your AFD so you roughly know where he is and if they entered midfield for the downwind then they obviously didnt enter on the 45 correctly, either way again if you dont know which side the pattern he is on then maybe you should read your AFD (should state if left or right traffic is standard for airport) and you should have a idea where the 45 is in relation to the pattern being used.
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Again, you completely and totally missed my point. It has nothing to do with knowing the layout of the damn airport- in fact, you could not know one single thing about the layout of the airport and it wouldn't make any difference in regards to what I am trying to say here. "Turning downwind" makes people think of the crosswind-downwind turn, however everyone seems to also say it when they enter on the 45. Not a big deal if you caught all of their previous radio calls (if they made any), but its confusing to a new student soloing.
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Sorry Im going to have to agree with everyone else on this one.. its proper procedure to repeat the airport again in case someone only caught half the transmission dont want to scare someone on final Plus its recommened in the AIM which you should take seriously.
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Notice that I said, "...unless theres a real danger of confusion of airports..." The airport I fly out of is one of only two on the freq. Therefore, its not a huge deal...and the remark I made about the airport name driving me nuts- was half joking because of the number of times they say the airport name in one transmission (3).