PSA Requirements...

Yup, I am debt free. I've always paid-as-I-go, and swore that I would never ever take loans to fly.

Anyway, even after doin a course like that, I'll still have 3 grand in my own personal savings, which is completely different and set aside from the CRJ course money I have saved.

That 3k will be used to help supplement the first year low pay at a regional.
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C C,

You sound like a smart guy. You have obviously made some smart money choices. Spending 27K on a course like that is not going to be the smartest thing you can do. If you want to spend it cool, here are a few thoughts. Use it to supplement the crappy first year pay. Hell, use 10 grand a year to supplement your pay over the first three or four years. Buy a car. Use it for rent if you have to commute. Down payment on a house. You get the idea. Your a smart guy, you will pass the trainnig. I myself havnt been through 121 training, but I have been through Flight Saftey when I was fairly low time.
 
PositionAndHold said:
C C,

You sound like a smart guy. You have obviously made some smart money choices. Spending 27K on a course like that is not going to be the smartest thing you can do. If you want to spend it cool, here are a few thoughts. Use it to supplement the crappy first year pay. Hell, use 10 grand a year to supplement your pay over the first three or four years. Buy a car. Use it for rent if you have to commute. Down payment on a house. You get the idea. Your a smart guy, you will pass the trainnig. I myself havnt been through 121 training, but I have been through Flight Saftey when I was fairly low time.
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Great advice! I was thinking every bit of that.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Alright guys, fine, I'll admit it. I do have the money sitting there, all $27k. Everyone that I've talked to who has done a transition course passed all the airline training. That sort of familiarity just seems like a good idea before heading for the first-ever airline training event at a regional.
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Dude, you don't need to spend the $$$. Trust me. Talk to guys that DIDN'T take the course, and you'll see a fairly high percentage of them made it through as well. The ones that didn't, the course probably wouldn't have helped anyway. You know enough guys over here that you'd probably have the flows, call outs and profiles down cold via help from them without shelling out tens of thousands of dollars. Maybe some beer and a few meals.
 
So yeah im a low time almost 300 houur pilot and dont know much of anything right now.....but what ever happened to when you get hired, they give you the books and materials you will need to study to pass the sim and the oral and you STUDY them to pass it....Why spend 5-10k or more on a RJ course that the company SHOULD be training you in and that YOU should be studying up on your own....seems these rj courses are like getting a cheat peak at the answer sheet before everything but paying someone a lot of money to do so....as for me, ill take the books and study my ass off and take that 5-10 grand and invest it in a little kit plane or something...
I dont know Kellwolf, but he knows a thing or 2 about the tricks of the trade....I wouldnt try to justify to him or many of the rj or any other experienced drivers on here about how you didnt waste that kind of money on a program....Kell, you should charge about 3k for your advice, hell its a deal compared to the rj program price...
 
C_C has got to be joking...no one would come on here and tell us they're going there......right?

Say it ain't so...
 
Oh hell no. I can get Kristie an interview with a major. Seriously. Jet U's promise doesn't mean jack.

Choose a flight school because it matches your flavor of learning. Some want an academy, some like fast-paced self-starting accelerated programs, others want the FBO environment.

Anyone listening around here or just talking?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Oh hell no. I can get Kristie an interview with a major. Seriously. Jet U's promise doesn't mean jack.

Choose a flight school because it matches your flavor of learning. Some want an academy, some like fast-paced self-starting accelerated programs, others want the FBO environment.

Anyone listening around here or just talking?
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Doug, have you ever thought about opening up your own flight school or writing a book or something? Methinks you would have great success.
 
I skipped all the PFT crap and I'll get back to those interested in applying: Previously I stated we're super short CA's, well we're super short FO's as well. They've been calling me on my days off to work and they're using check airmen to occupy the right seat becasue we don't have enough FO's. Right now would be a good time to get on if you came here.

And for the thread highjackers: ANY place where you pay for "BarbieJet Transition" is a total waste of money. I don't care if it's ATP, Jet U, FSI, DCI, CAE, Jimbo's FBO, etc... Your inititial training will be more than sufficient. I will say there's no substiture for experience which cannot be purchased.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I understand, but I'm speaking from a low timer point of view (like myself), I would not want to risk failing out.

In another month or so, I will have the mins for PSA and TSA. Both are pretty much C/I/ME and TSA wants 250/25ME.

I'll have that in a month, but would I apply?

Heck no! I don't want to risk going in and starting training in a Part 121 carrier with only 250 hours and no other experience (eg, CFI, or a jet course).

If you're a CFI with 500-1000 hours total, you're probably set and will not need a CRJ transition course before hand.

But with only 250 hours, C/I/ME, no CFI, then I think my background is way too limited to want to just apply to TSA, or PSA, and hope to pass first time.

Doing a CRJ course before hand would do wonders to boost confidence and knowing what to expect of the training that's about to come at the airline. I would think that if you at least get your hands wet beforehand in a CRJ course, you're much more likely to pass through the first time at the airline. You'll already know the callouts, flows, emergency procedures, etc. In a sense, you're doing your part to ensure you can pass the first time.

Again, this is the viewpoint of a low time pilot. If I was a CFI with 500-1000 hours total time, I wouldn't do a CRJ course, I'd apply straight to the airlines and head on over with no prior CRJ course.
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Few points here.

1. Why would you pay that kind of cash to take a course that you will be paid for later? I mean you will get paid during training, is that registering?

2. These places have really low minimums for a reason. Have you noticed that the most desirable places still have minimums in the 1000TT/100ME range?

3. You must have super huge balls to think you can handle a jet full of people in the soup after only 250hrs. Think about that for a minute, I mean really think about it. Would you wanna ride on a jet with some of the students you are in flight school with right now at the controls? I think not!!

Get some more experience man, resist that temptation and get some damn experience.

EVERY, not some but EVERY pilot that I have spoken to, that holds the jobs I desire says the same thing. Get some experience as a CFI, Tow some banners, drop some meat rockets, whatever...but get some experience.
 
Haven't followed the thread at all, but why hasn't Cherokee Cruiser been labeled as a troll yet? 'Cause I mean, he shows up for one of these threads and...that's it.

kids and their entitlement complex about flying a jet.
 
I just don't see the fascination with these Jet Transition courses.

This is not helping you (The NEW HIRE) as it is helping the employer. This is just more re-assurance that you won't fail out of training.

They know deep down you don't need JetU...

C_C- wake up dude...
 
This is an interesting reading for me in between study(CPT self study). :) I can tell you this from my personal experiences.

If you have money, save it. You will need it as first year FO pay at regional airlines. ;) If you attended Jet Transition course, You just "waste" your money for nothing. You can get it for free. I have heard few times about "waste the money" in my ground school. :p

For those who has not into airline training environment yet, listen to those guys and gals "who has been there and done that" If anyone has any questions about "what does looks like at *** airlines training looks like?", please feel free to PM me.

Just my 0.02
 
desertdog71 said:
3. You must have super huge balls to think you can handle a jet full of people in the soup after only 250hrs.

EVERY, not some but EVERY pilot that I have spoken to, that holds the jobs I desire says the same thing. Get some experience as a CFI, Tow some banners, drop some meat rockets, whatever...but get some experience.
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DDog, that's the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks.

I'm going to go against the grain a little bit here. If an airline is willing to hire a pilot with 250 hours, and the guy applying really wants to do the airline thing, I think it is fine for them to apply and try to get the job. If they have "what it takes" they will get through training and get on line. Will they be a liability for a while? Sure, but if the company is willing to accept that, then it is stupid for the low timer to put their career on hold in the name of experience.

Before anybody starts yelling, don't for one minute think that I even begin to believe that a sub 500 hour pilot has any business in a jet/tprop cockpit. It is asking a whole lot of the captain and the training department. But it certainly isn't the low time guy's problem. Sure, you can ask them to take the moral high ground and to delay getting into the career they want just to do the "right thing", but is that really a fair thing to do? I certainly don't think so.

I don't know, maybe everybody here has a better sense of moral right and wrong then I do, but I know that if I could have gotten out of instructing at 300TT and into a jet I sure as heck would have tried to do it. Looking back now, I know I wouldn't have been nearly as ready as I was at 900TT (and even then it was as stretch) but I certainly would have done it then, and I would still do it even knowing what I now know.
 
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