PSA Requirements...

Nah, not bff. :)



What kills me are the people with 250 hours ripping on a place like Jet U, saying that 250 hour pilots don't belong in a CRJ... and yet these same 250 hr pilots have already sent their resume to PSA now that their minimums have dropped to that level.

Hyprocrisy? Irony?

You decide.
 
I haven't been following along, but I think the reason people are ripping on JetU is because you are paying a whole lot of money for something that isn't necessary.

Getting a CRJ Type with 250 hours is possibly the most stupid thing you could do aviation training related.

There. I said it.

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But now with minimums so low at PSA, it begs the question, what would be better:

A off the street hire, 250 hr fresh C/I/ME wet ink, and no prior jet course, or

A 250 hr C/I/ME we ink but with a full 13 week transition course from Jet U.
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I honestly don't think they care. 121 training runs on a schedule. You go to class, you learn stuff. They are going to be spending just as much teaching the JetU guy how to UNLEARN stuff as they are going to be teaching the non CRJ typed guy how to learn stuff.

The problem I (and many other people have) is that maybe, just maybe it is slightly cheaper (not easier) to train the typed guy so the airline all of the sudden decides to preferential hire the JetU grad. Sort of sucks for everybody else who DIDN'T JUST BUY THEIR JOB.
 
Whether they're from PFT or a mom and pop place, hopefully they have scared themselves enough by 250 hours to know what they're getting themselves into. Hopefully they won't shoot their first IMC approach with 50 unsuspecting folks in the back.
 
BobDDuck said:
I haven't been following along, but I think the reason people are ripping on JetU is because you are paying a whole lot of money for something that isn't necessary.

Getting a CRJ Type with 250 hours is possibly the most stupid thing you could do aviation training related.

There. I said it.
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Hmmm, I think I'd rather get paid by my employer to get a type rating and ATP vs. having to fork over the money out of my own pocket.
 
BobDDuck said:
I haven't been following along, but I think the reason people are ripping on JetU is because you are paying a whole lot of money for something that isn't necessary.

Getting a CRJ Type with 250 hours is possibly the most stupid thing you could do aviation training related.

There. I said it.
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LOL! Jet U doesn't type you in the CRJ!

It's a Pinnacle-specific pilot mill. You'll follow PNCL's procedures, flows, callouts, etc. in a CRJ FTD and a Level C CRJ sim.

Then you interview with PNCL and get hired (unless you majorly mess something up).

They're apparently at a 100% success-hire rate with Pinnacle.

That's what the $26,870 bucks gets you.

Not worth it unless you are a low timer and have *only* an initial Multi-Commercial and instrument.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
LOL! Jet U doesn't type you in the CRJ!

It's a Pinnacle-specific pilot mill. You'll follow PNCL's procedures, flows, callouts, etc. in a CRJ FTD and a Level C CRJ sim.

Then you interview with PNCL and get hired (unless you majorly mess something up).

They're apparently at a 100% success-hire rate with Pinnacle.

That's what the $26,870 bucks gets you.

Not worth it unless you are a low timer and have *only* an initial Multi-Commercial and instrument.
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So basically it's like me going back to DCA doing their bridge program ($7,000) and getting on with on with Comair or CHQ.

Now if the "bridge" program were to be implimented by Pinnacle with training to be admistered by Pinnacle's training department at Pinnacle, to be completed before beggining actual training free of charge with possibly having your hotel paid for and some training pay to go with it. Now that would be worthwile and a definite bennefit fr both the pilots and the company(safety wise)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
LOL! Jet U doesn't type you in the CRJ!

It's a Pinnacle-specific pilot mill. You'll follow PNCL's procedures, flows, callouts, etc. in a CRJ FTD and a Level C CRJ sim.
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Ok, I didn't know that. But substitute "certification" (coughATPcough) or "training" (FSI/PanAm) or actual type (RAA and a few other places) and you see what I am talking about.
 
fly8slep said:
No man, it's not worth it under any circumstance. That's pay for training, and it hurts the industry. The only time you should be paying for anything is for your ratings.
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To a degree, I guess so. But it isn't Gulfstream PFT.

Coming out of JetU, the only advantage I can see is that you'll have already done the entire PNCL training program once at JetU, so you know you can do it again at the MEM headquarters, and not fail out. No JetU grad has failed out.

I'm just saying, I wouldn't wanna be a guy that drops out of a newhire training class.

So if there is a CRJ course available (not necessarily JetU, could also be ALLATPs), then I would do it solely for the purpose of being more prepared for the upcoming new hire class.
 
Honestly, if you're a 250TT guy with a ME/IR on your license and REALLY wanna work at PCL...just wait a couple of months. Save the $20-30 grand you'd spend at JetU. I have a feeling wet ink on a commercial ticket would get you in the door before long just like the other places.

As for paying for a CRJ course to be more prepared. Save the $$$. I don't know of anyone who's failed out of training before the oral here, and a CRJ course isn't really gonna help you on the oral or the sims. I've been doing informal polling of guys I've heard that took a CRJ course. Almost to the one, they all said they wasted their $$$. Those of us that didn't take the course made it through just fine.
 
fly8slep said:
No man, it's not worth it under any circumstance. That's pay for training, and it hurts the industry. The only time you should be paying for anything is for your ratings.
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So, am I correct in understanding that you think SWA is unfair in requiring you to have a 737 type that they don't pay for?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
To a degree, I guess so. But it isn't Gulfstream PFT.

Coming out of JetU, the only advantage I can see is that you'll have already done the entire PNCL training program once at JetU, so you know you can do it again at the MEM headquarters, and not fail out. No JetU grad has failed out.

I'm just saying, I wouldn't wanna be a guy that drops out of a newhire training class.

So if there is a CRJ course available (not necessarily JetU, could also be ALLATPs), then I would do it solely for the purpose of being more prepared for the upcoming new hire class.
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Uh.. It's exactly like Gulfstream. As your 2nd paragraph says, you are paying to take the training course. Why would anyone pay 25K to take a training course? It's border line idiotic because you'll pay for free training and also you won't get any respect from your fellow pilots. And please don't compare ATP's CRJ course with Jetu. ATP's is totally different than JetUs.
 
fly8slep said:
Uh.. It's exactly like Gulfstream. As your 2nd paragraph says, you are paying to take the training course. Why would anyone pay 25K to take a training course? It's border line idiotic because you'll pay for free training and also you won't get any respect from your fellow pilots. And please don't compare ATP's CRJ course with Jetu. ATP's is totally different than JetUs.
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Call me uneducated, but I don't see how they're different. Both give you a systems overview for $$ and offer lower hiring minimums as a bridge to the airlines.

As for being like GS, while I don't agree with it, I personally think GS is worse. With JetU, you're paying for training. With GS, you're paying for a job they should be paying YOU for.
 
fly8slep said:
Uh.. It's exactly like Gulfstream. As your 2nd paragraph says, you are paying to take the training course. Why would anyone pay 25K to take a training course? It's border line idiotic because you'll pay for free training and also you won't get any respect from your fellow pilots. And please don't compare ATP's CRJ course with Jetu. ATP's is totally different than JetUs.
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No, research the Hot Archives thread some more.

Gulfstream Academy is an entirely different animal because there, you pay $30k so you can SIT RIGHT SEAT for at least 250 hours for Gulfstream Airlines. At Gulfstream, your $30k guarantees your a F/O position at Gulfstream Airlines and as a result, Gulfstream Airlines NEVER hires First Officers off the street.

Now that above is true hurting the industry.

Jet U is not a buy a job program. All you get out of it is an interview.

You could blow it and end up on the street.

The bottom line is at Jet U, you don't pay $27k and then sit in the right seat of a Pinnacle Jet (that's the analogy equivalent of what Gulfstream Academy does with the B1900 at Gulfstream Airlines).

See the difference?


As far as the ATP CRJ course, you're right, it's not the same. It doesn't compare anywhere near Jet U's.

ATP is a 7 day (1 week) CRJ crash course. Jet U is a 13 week (that's 3 months) of nothing but CRJ systems, procedures, FTD training, simulator training, profiles, etc. It's much more thorough than ATPs CRJ course, it's longer, more indepth, and it covers the entire initial Pinnacle pilot training in those three months. So, Jet U has a bigger program, and hence more expensive (almost 4 times as much).
 
kellwolf said:
Honestly, if you're a 250TT guy with a ME/IR on your license and REALLY wanna work at PCL...just wait a couple of months. Save the $20-30 grand you'd spend at JetU. I have a feeling wet ink on a commercial ticket would get you in the door before long just like the other places.

As for paying for a CRJ course to be more prepared. Save the $$$. I don't know of anyone who's failed out of training before the oral here, and a CRJ course isn't really gonna help you on the oral or the sims. I've been doing informal polling of guys I've heard that took a CRJ course. Almost to the one, they all said they wasted their $$$. Those of us that didn't take the course made it through just fine.
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Hey kellwolf, I spoke to dondk on the flightinfo forums.

He's a CRJ captain at PNCL, and he's got insight on JetUs going-ons.

They have Pinnacles specific training manuals, QRH, checklists, flows, etc.

It's a full 13 week course of the entire Pinnacle new hire syllabus (inlcuding the oral and sim checks). So he said when a Jet U grad starts at MEM for new hire training, that guy has already done the entire training program once.

Seems to me that gets you a lot more than just CAE's CRJ course or ATPs 7 day CRJ course.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
ATP is a 7 day (1 week) CRJ crash course. Jet U is a 13 week (that's 3 months) of nothing but CRJ systems, procedures, FTD training, simulator training, profiles, etc. It's much more thorough than ATPs CRJ course, it's longer, more indepth, and it covers the entire initial Pinnacle pilot training in those three months. So, Jet U has a bigger program, and hence more expensive (almost 4 times as much).
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Wow....just....wow. Tell ya what, I'll charge ya $10K less and give you the same systems, profile and FTD course. That's a collosal waste of money right there.....
 
fly8slep said:
No it's a buy an interview because I'm too lazy to do it the right way program.:rolleyes:
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I sorta see ATP's program the same way. "Get hired with reduced minimums with our regional airline partners!" If you don't go to ATP, you don't get the benefits of the bridge program. If you do, you sorta "bought" an interview with reduced mins. So, what exactly is the "right" way anymore?
 
kell, I understand what you're saying, but even if Pinnacle dropped their mins to 250 hours and C/I/ME only, there's no why I'd apply with just that experience.

Why?

The slight chance of maybe not passing it through the training all the way. Might not have a problem with oral and sytems exams, but the actual sim check and on to IOE, could be problematic.

I mean MOST 250 hour wonders that do make it to an RJ had some type of jet transition course which probably is the reason they could pass with such low time!

So, that's why I think even if Pinnacle reduced it down to just C/I/ME and 250 hours, I'd still want some kinda CRJ course before heading to MEM with those low minimums. Just a little confidence booster, a little familiarity with the airplane, a little taste of what's coming, and a much greater chance to pass.
That's my take on it.
 
kellwolf said:
I sorta see ATP's program the same way. "Get hired with reduced minimums with our regional airline partners!" If you don't go to ATP, you don't get the benefits of the bridge program. If you do, you sorta "bought" an interview with reduced mins. So, what exactly is the "right" way anymore?
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ACPP is no way buying an interview. CFIs come out with 200-500 hours of multi time. Who would an airline hire, a 1500 hour guy with 100 hours of multi or a 600 hour guy with half that multi? And ATP is airline oriented training, from day one, they follow airline style procedures, you can't get that at any other school unless they're PFT. That is why most ATP grads pass their airline training the first time.
 
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