PSA New Hire FO Classes Suspended

rockman2343@aol.com said:
Here is some perspective. American plans to hire 1500 pilots over the next five years. Most coming from PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy. That's currently 1200, 400, 2000 pilots respectively. Not counting some of the military guys. How is the flow going to be 5 years for anyone other than the guys that were already on property, towards the top, when it was put in? Just the usual propaganda to get a bunch of regional pilots to salivate over going to mainline if the just grind it out for a few years. Then they realize they are stuck and a few years quickly becomes 10.
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Don't get too ahead of yourself though. Half of that 1500 is likely going to be military for at least a few years.
 
To clarify, the three wholly owned each have just over 3000, and are still hiring. If American is only going to take 1500 in the next 5 years, anyone getting hired today will take at least 5 years to flow. My guess would be closer to 8. Granted, there are some at the top of the 3000 that will opt not to flow, but that will be offset by military pilots, chief pilots kids, etc.
Of course this all assumes the economy stays the same and the majors don't park planes.
 
chrisreedrules said:
And to all those who don't think having TPIC matters much anymore, I read from someone that interviewed with Frontier, and the recruiter told him that they are "unofficially" beginning to require 1000 TPIC because they are anticipating upgrades to drop to 2 years in 2016. Now I admittedly don't know a whole lot about frontier, but I do think it is a point worth making. Things change rapidly in this industry. It is much better to have the TPIC than not to.
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Well I'm sure Frontier will be able to be really choosy on who they hire over the next 3 years. /justsayinthough
 
chrisreedrules said:
Only when departing CLT for Kookamunga.
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so you never hit toga then? Because if we hit nav before a vertical mode, it goes into pitch for vertical. How do you guys counteract that? Honest question. I was always wondering why everyone in like every modern airliner departs with lnav but us in the CRJs don't. Turns out it may just be a crazy skw thing as is everything else....
 
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elmetal said:
You guys take off with nav mode engaged?
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DCA rwy 1 sounds like "gear up, speed mode, nav mode" all in one breath.

Else wise is "gear up, speed mode" at 400A for RNAV/SID "nav mode" and "1000A" (ya right) for visual/heading "heading mode". Some correct me if im wrong, I've been out for 3 months doing the C-130 thing.
 
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elmetal said:
I was always wondering why everyone in like every modern airliner departs with lnav but us in the CRJs don't. Turns out it may just be a crazy skw thing as is everything else....
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I'd agree with that. Get the must reads today?
 
Maurus said:
Don't get too ahead of yourself though. Half of that 1500 is likely going to be military for at least a few years.
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So. Am I, an industry outsider who just does a lot of looking in, justified in thinking that the expiring service contract of a bunch of military pilots hired during the height of the GWOT is going to render essentially moot any hiring increase by the legacies? I was just thinking about this the other day, but I don't really have a handle on the numbers involved.
 
Ruck said:
So. Am I, an industry outsider who just does a lot of looking in, justified in thinking that the expiring service contract of a bunch of military pilots hired during the height of the GWOT is going to render essentially moot any hiring increase by the legacies? I was just thinking about this the other day, but I don't really have a handle on the numbers involved.
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The military doesn't have the pilots it once had. They wont even get close to filling the demand. They do take a lot of slots right now because the legacies are still in their "Tier 1" hiring mode.

Right now it seems like military guys are around the 50% mark for new hires. Not 100% sure on this for AA. The last set of stats I saw were for Delta. AA has a history of hiring military and I would expect similar numbers from their end.

Ultimately you aren't going to see the legacies decimate their regionals until they need to. That is why flow is so slow for AA regionals. PDT and PSA are hiring for growth and a "flow". Right now PSA doesn't seem to have any hiring issues but the music could stop just as fast as it started. Hiring issues have already started at other regionals that have less to offer. Unless those regionals start filing for Chapter 7 BK and shed their pilots I would expect PSA and PDT to run into a ton of hiring issues soon.
 
Maurus said:
They do take a lot of slots right now because the legacies are still in their "Tier 1" hiring mode.
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So who counts as that - whether we mean the tongue-in-cheek usage or any more serious actual hiring schemes - who wasn't a military pilot? Chief pilot's grandson, etc?
 
Ruck said:
So who counts as that - whether we mean the tongue-in-cheek usage or any more serious actual hiring schemes - who wasn't a military pilot? Chief pilot's grandson, etc?
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It is the tongue-in-cheek usage. No one knows exactly what is considered a "great" application in the eyes of the HR overlords. They have given us some ideas of what a "tier 1" applicant would be. Most of their ideas are very short sighted and aren't actually relevant to the position they are trying to fill.

I included Military as part of the "tier 1" crowd because they literally are 50% of Delta's hiring and history would suggest the numbers are similar at the other Legacies.
 
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chrisreedrules said:
Honestly, we could argue back and forth about a yes or no vote. I feel strongly for my argument, and I'm sure you do for yours. I speak from negotiating experience and I don't know about you. None of us will progress up the ranks of we can't hire. And that is going to become a paramount issue in the coming months. So no, I don't think it deserves a "Yes" vote and I think this TA is pointless. The company WILL come back in much less than 9 months or PSA will become stagnant and start bleeding more FOs than it already is. And they will come back with more.
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I'm a newish FO, able to hold a round 1 line in TYS. I like my job here and the life it provides.

I went to the road show, and I liked what I saw. I don't have a vote, but I would vote for it. I didn't choose PSA for the guaranteed interview, and I don't know if I'll still be here when my number is up should that turn into a flow. But the numbers looked pretty good to me compared to the other AAG wholly owned.
I think a lot of satisfaction/dissatisfaction comes from one's general attitude about life. I came from 135 and took a pay cut to come here, but I like the schedule, benefits, and future opportunity a lot more than where I came from.

Livin' the dream...
 
So can someone explain in a nutshell what the process will be to sign up for a US Airways/AA jumpseat after the 17th, which websites I need to use, and how to establish a log in on said websites. I believe it is located on myIDtravel, but I do not know how to log in.
 
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chrisreedrules said:
I believe it was 7 actually, and maybe 1 DEC... We aren't attracting many more DECs and the pool of qualified applicants has pretty much dried up for the time being. To be honest, even if the new TA gets voted in and our interview turns into a flow, it still isn't going to be enough to attract the "1,000 new pilots over the next 2 years" the company wants to hire. The company is realistically going to have to come to the pilot group with some serious improvements to the contract and pay in order to remain competitive. A recruiter told me that at a recent job fair, PSA only had two applicants even drop off a resume. Two. And yet the company is sticking it's head in the sand and ignoring the coming $h1t Storm it is creating for itself. Unless you live in CLT, or one of the other PSA domiciles, I can't recommend coming here until things improve.

And that is exactly why I don't think the new TA deserves a "yes" vote. Because no matter what, the company is going to have to come back to us if they want to staff. Why accept a new TA when the company is outright ignoring half of the current contract when it benefits them? Why settle for less when we could get more? The language in the new TA has grey areas galore and is written so one-sided I find it hard to believe we will ever get above flowing 5 /month. ESPECIALLY not if we can't even staff. PSA will begin to bleed pilots in the next year, and won't be able to attract new hires unless the company makes some real changes. Which I fully expect they won't. This isn't the worst place to be, but there are certainly more attractive at the moment. We do have lots of aircraft yet to come, and upgrades are continuing. But all of that is contingent on the company being able to hire.
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not to re-stir this thread....but as a possible regional candidate looking at all options....my former student said your latest seniority list showed 3 new hire FO's in that latest class.....i don't want to apply to psa and get stuck if they can't attract FO's. Maybe SKYW is the place to apply to?!
 
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