Proper Way To Request Takeoff Clearance?

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sweeps

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Yo. I was wondering what the "by the book" or proper way to request a TO clearance is. I was once given a stern talking to by a CFI when I said "x tower, N12345' holding short of runway whatever, ready for takeoff." My instructor said I should have said "departure" instead and to never say "take off." I never got a straight answer and was wondering if a controller could clarify for me. Thanks in advance.
 
My understand is that 'Take off' is reserved solely for ATC - so another airplane might not confuse your 'Ready for take off, Runway 19' as their clearance. If you say departure it adds an element of safety, anyone confusing that isn't going to cause a runway incursion.
 
Take-off should only b used when reading back your take off clearance. The proper way according to the AIM is "ready for departure."

It just makes things clearer for everybody as the only time you hear the words take-off are in an actual take off clearance.

I don't know tha it is worth a stern talking to though, worst case ATC still knos what you mean.
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I_Money said:
My understand is that 'Take off' is reserved solely for ATC - so another airplane might not confuse your 'Ready for take off, Runway 19' as their clearance. If you say departure it adds an element of safety, anyone confusing that isn't going to cause a runway incursion.
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What he said, yo!:cool:
 
sweeps said:
Yo. I was wondering what the "by the book" or proper way to request a TO clearance is. I was once given a stern talking to by a CFI when I said "x tower, N12345' holding short of runway whatever, ready for takeoff." My instructor said I should have said "departure" instead and to never say "take off." I never got a straight answer and was wondering if a controller could clarify for me. Thanks in advance.
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Be careful what you say on the radio, it's a dance between controller and pilot and correct audio cues in a busy cockpit is what keeps operations flowing smoothly. The important thing is that you are trying to learn the correct way. There's plenty of things I could still be doing better on the radio too.
 
Gotcha, I looked through the AIM and didn't find anything about it. I kind if figured it had something to do with that, but never got clarification. Thankyeee
 
I've been spoiled the last while. Usually I fly into airports where you are either told to monitor tower, and you hold short until your "number" is called, or you switch over and again, wait for your number to be called.

I was holding short at smaller field, waiting, waiting, waiting, until I queried the tower. Some habits are hard to break...
 
I haven't said it since then, I usually just say holding short of the runway and that's enough of a hint for the tower ;) It was just always in the back of my mind and I was looking for some "official" advice or guidance on the subject. Thanks everyone for their input, this website is a valuable resource for so many reasons.
 
you can pull up the the hold short line and say n1234 holding short of 18L ready for departure but saying takeoff is only for when you are cleared...
 
My standard call-up is, "Tower 12345 ready at 2" or "2 ready for departure". It's kind of redundent to say "holding short of" when calling for a take off clearance.
 
sweeps said:
Gotcha, I looked through the AIM and didn't find anything about it.
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Take a look in the AIM at paragraph 4-3-10 e. Although they are illustrating an example at an intersection, the basic phrase is in there.

Pilots should state their position on the airport when calling the tower for takeoff from a runway intersection.

EXAMPLE-
Cleveland Tower, Apache Three Seven Two Two Papa, at the intersection of taxiway Oscar and runway two three right, ready for departure.
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I always call/instruct my students to say "holing short XX runway" unless I'm doing an intersection departure which I call "Holding short XX runway at XX"
 
Der_Meister said:
I always call/instruct my students to say "holing short XX runway" unless I'm doing an intersection departure which I call "Holding short XX runway at XX"
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I won't argue with you for doing so, but what is your main reason for that?
 
A150K said:
I won't argue with you for doing so, but what is your main reason for that?
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I would guess so ATC won't have to tell him to hold short and he won't have to repeat it back if ATC is not ready for his departure-since they already know he is holding short they can just say "Roger" or whatever.

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